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Nick Sabans Attitude

I like the comparison to Bill Belichick. I always laugh on that one. See, Bill in Cleveland, thought he could control the "all about me" type of guys, and thus failed with his "tough guy" approach. (My friend is a huge Browns fan, and I have heard about it for years, but he is right).

Saban did coach for the Browns then, but he has never been a HC in the NFL. So, does he go the route of "my way or the highway", come hell or high water? Or, does he actually learn from Bill up in NE. Meaning, is he going to deplete our team of the ego maniacs we have on our squad currently, and get the yes men? Or, will he do the Bill Belichick the first time around. Think he can control the ego maniacs and fail with his "attitude".

You all know that BB got in fights in his locker room up in Cleveland, right? His tough guy approach got his a$$ knocked out by Bernie Kosar. That's right, Bernie!

I dont mind if he switches the whole team up, I have been wanting that for too long, even if it means getting rid of JT, Zach and crew. Change isn't always the worst thing. New attitudes, new direction; can be a positive thing.

if he is going to go with ego guys, then you must pamper them, because after all, if they are making 5+ mill a year, there is a reasaon for it. You have to stroke them and tell them they are great constantly, reference T.O.

Its two styles, but you cant put the law down on a T.O., because all that does, is cause extreme emotions to flair in the locker room, and your perceived to be a troublemaker or idiot. And in most cases, the owner will side with the big name guys. If he sides with the HC, then you have a constant rotation of players through the locker room, much like BB in Cleveland.

we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.......
 
I think most of the core guys have already bought in. It also helps when everybody has a great position coach. I don't think that fact can be emphasized enough.

The big question is, can they keep these guys from "selling" when we hit our first losing streak?? Saban has a great resume. But it's his first foray as an NFL head coach. So regardless of what we think, it's the players' opinions and motivations that count.

This is where having these standout position coaches will help. If the guys are getting great individual instruction, and they recognize it, they're more likely to stick with the program when things get tough. If nothing else, they'll know that they're becoming better players.

But if the coordinators aren't putting them in posistion to excel on gameday, they could start giving less effort on the practice field, feeling like their efforts are going to waste. This is another reason why getting a standout guy like Scott Linehan, and Nick Saban (as DC) for that matter, was important.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you lose because guys aren't executing, they're more likely to stick with the program and continue to work hard at improving. But if you lose due to poor coaching, the players will check out.

I think we've got a lot of great coaches on this team. So we stand a better chance of keeping everyone on the same page.
 
Losman7 said:
I was reading some article that was talking about Nick Sabans "tough guy" attitude nd it was asking if that will translate well to the NFL. (ala Tom Coughlin)

In college that sort of thing can fly, the kids aren't getting paid, and many of them make the team solely from hard work.

In the NFL its different, you have a lot more selfishness and attitude. These are the guys who have been told they are great for years.

now I'm not saying Saban will fail, but do you think the players will respond well to his style if the struggle at any point? Has this been discussed at all, I mean Saban may be a great coach, and have great schemes, but if they lose early on will the players continue to play for him?
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They will appreciate structure and be patient if they believe it leads to winning. Especially after the mess they just came out of.
 
If I remember correctly, Shula could be pretty rough also but was fair. If Saban is fair and tough, he will be fine.

All indications so far IMO are that we have a good coach.
 
No doubt about it, we got some great coaches, but it all rises and sets on Saban. Thats all I was getting at. Saban had that D in Cleveland zippin, and BB messed the entire team up. Great position coaches do great things, but overall it all rises and sets on the HC.
 
Whoever wrote this piece that youre making refrence too obviously doesnt realize saban has had success at the pro level as well as an assistant in cleveland. When he took over as secondary coach for BB's defense in the mid 90's they went from last in INT to 1st in 1 season. I think first and foremost Nick Saban is a teacher.

Second of all, whoever wrote that article is missing another obvious point; coaches that instill discipline with an iron fist are very successful in this league. Look at our recent Sb winners and successful HC's; BB, Holmgren, Tuna, Shanahan, Andy Reid, the list goes on but theyre all built in the same mold; organized, disciplined, obsessive, teachers who emphasize simple execution. Is there a chance you can get a player uprising if youre too uptight, a la Tom Coughlin in Jax? Of course. But most observers and even he himself admitted he overdid it at times there and has eased up slightly. Basically what it comes down to is that there is a line you cant cross; cant treat players line babies and be a drill sargeant but you have to strike some fear in them, let them know their job can be lost and you have to be a teacher and know how to improve your team. Players know discipline and structure are necessary to win. Most players also want to be coached hard because they know it can take them where they want in terms of winning, improvement, and through improvement a bigger sized contract. The coaches who do those things are the most successful in the long term and who players ultimately respect.
 
Like I stated in my post right before yours, its the difference of BB in Cleveland, and BB in NE. I give Saban credit, thank you. He was one hell of a DC in Cleveland, but even though he had that D doing great, BB still messed the entire team up with his stranglehold approach. I watched, I can remeber it.
 
Belichcik Sucked before Weis and Crennel. Never a 1000 RB, Never a 1000 WR. Only one winning season.
 
Losman7 said:
Belichcik Sucked before Weis and Crennel. Never a 1000 RB, Never a 1000 WR. Only one winning season.
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Yeah, and Weiss sucked before he had Brady, as well.
 
Losman7 said:
Belichcik Sucked before Weis and Crennel. Never a 1000 RB, Never a 1000 WR. Only one winning season.
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Weis was pretty good with the Jets (during their Tuna years) too running a similar style offense based on minimizing mistakes. Heck even Vinny Testaverde made a pro bowl :lol:

Crennel's also been a good coach in the past under Tuna as DL coach.

In short though all good HC's need a strong staff to help them no different than a qb needing a team around them. Thats why all these other coaches get paid.
 
Boik and Aqua,

So are you in agreement that the Pats are going to have a hard time this year? Because Pats fans seem to think they are invincible.

By the way, when was Saban the DC of the Browns, was it when they went 11-5? Because that was Belichicks only winning season before weis and Crennel.
 
Losman7 said:
Boik and Aqua,

So are you in agreement that the Pats are going to have a hard time this year? Because Pats fans seem to think they are invincible.

By the way, when was Saban the DC of the Browns, was it when they went 11-5? Because that was Belichicks only winning season before weis and Crennel.
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Im pretty sure saban was there in 94 or 96. I forget the record just remember reading about their drastic improvement on D.

As far as the pats this year, I think the pats could be a little mor vulnerable then in the past without those 2 guys. Its going to depend on what changes the new OC/DC make. I think Mangini will be fine but inexperienced in his new role so we'll see. i still expect NE to win 12 games and the division. The only real threats to them are Balt (depending on Boller; big ?) KC and indy (depending on D's, also big questions) and Pitt (losing buress could hurt, soph slump for Big Ben?)
 
I think they're vulnerable as well, but I'm not going to yell, "the witch is dead", yet.
 
Losman7 said:
Boik and Aqua,

So are you in agreement that the Pats are going to have a hard time this year? Because Pats fans seem to think they are invincible.

By the way, when was Saban the DC of the Browns, was it when they went 11-5? Because that was Belichicks only winning season before weis and Crennel.
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You didnt ask me, but I'll chime in anyway.
I think there will be enough carryover to keep the Pats competitive this year. Players and position coaches arent going to forget the schemes and techniques overnight. However, with another year of defections and new replacements, I think NE will really start to struggle in '06.

And yes, Saban was Clevelands DC in '94 when they went 11-5. Cleveland allowed the fewest points in the league that year. Saban resigned in '95 to take the HC job at Mich. State and without him the Browns posted a 5-11 record. Belichek was fired at the conclusion of that season.
 
LithoMan said:
Like I stated in my post right before yours, its the difference of BB in Cleveland, and BB in NE. I give Saban credit, thank you. He was one hell of a DC in Cleveland, but even though he had that D doing great, BB still messed the entire team up with his stranglehold approach. I watched, I can remeber it.
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Yup. He was not a well-liked man. Most of his assistant coaches hated him. His players didn't like him. He was considered a failure as a head coach.
 
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