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No, its NOT Tua’s last chance

l And many of those FA signings happened b/c players wanted to play for McD. I don't think it's reasonable to think we'd have those same FAs if Flores were here.

Who said they signed because they wanted to play for McD (still so weird seeing that because McDermott has been McD for 5 years in my head lol)
 
This post is so long I couldn't even begin to read this novel but I'll say this.... Tyreek didn't do this narrative any favors by publicly saying this was Tuas last chance.
Tyreek really needs to stop doing his podcast. I'm not sure why he's doing it. Stuff like this will come out on the regular and be a distraction to everyone involved.

The less you give the media the better. Flores take on the media was the right one.
 
Sure. With that line and the D stacking the box to try to limit Henry, RT is able to succeed. He did well here when Ajayi was telling off 200 yard games as well. But on his own passing wise without a dominant running threat, he's quite pedestrian as a QB.
It is interesting to note that Henrys stats greatly improved after Tannehill started as QB
He was good before Tannehill got there but was great after Tannehill started at QB. I presented this information a few years ago.

Go look it up if you do not believe me.
 
Tua's injury cost us the playoffs last year no doubt. If he plays 16 games this year I could see him getting 4,200 Yds and 30 TD's. The narrative would turn to it was all YAC. It will be a while before he gets any deserved respect because he needs to stay on the field.
Interesting point.

Was the problem Tua's injury or was it the problem the backup QB's performance?

Where does a starting QB's responsibility stop and the backup QB's responsibilities start?
What would have happened if our backup QB played more like Moore did for us?

See what I'm trying to get at?
Where should we draw the line on responsibility when a backup QB has to replace a starting QB?
 
It's a tough situation for both Tua, and the organization. At some point, the Fins have to decide whether or not to pick up Tua's 5th year option. Tough for TT because he basically, through no real fault of his own, has wasted 2 seasons, and is now almost starting from scratch to prove himself.

Tough for the Dolphins because it becomes a question of risking throwing good assets/money after bad.
Excellent summary!
 
There’s a narrative going nationwide that the 2022 season will be the last chance Tua Tagovailoa will have as the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins and —quite possibly— a starting QB of any NFL team in the future.



And it’s just bogus, man.



Consider Tua is 13-8 as a starter in his first two seasons with a 66.2 average completion percentage. That’s a better record than LA Charger’s Justin Herbert’s 15-17, and an equal completion percentage. Tua had also beaten Herbert in 2020 during their first meeting as rookies.



And neither of the two has yet to make the playoffs. (FYI: Herbert went 1-3 down the stretch to finish the season. Tua went 3-1.)



Herbert may have the better statistical numbers on the field, but he’s also been playing with a superior offensive supporting cast consisting of WR Keenan Allen, WR Mike Williams, and RB Austin Ekeler. Not to mention an organization and GM that has provided him with weapons and protection since Day 1 and is still piling on top of those additions in order to make a push for the AFC West and a Superbowl.



Tua may be going into his 3rd season, but he was just beginning to get some capable weaponry when the Dolphins drafted Jaylen Waddle in the 1st round of 2021, and was supposed to be paired with free-agent acquisition Will Fuller. But Fuller was non-existent throughout the season due to injury and other issues.



Mike McDaniel — the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins — knows Tua hasn’t had the supporting cast that would statistically lead the quarterback to great numbers or the team offense being competitive in the NFL. And that’s why he and general manager Chris Grier have made efforts to acquire new running backs, WR’s (including Tyreek “the Cheetah” Hill), and offensive linemen during the 2022 offseason.



If this was Tua’s “last chance” with the organization, I doubt Mike McDaniel would have had such inspiring words to the quarterback shortly after he was hired via a recorded phone-call that McDaniel knew was being recorded, but Tua didn’t.



"One thing I know about you is you have the ambition to be great. My job is to coach you to get all that greatness out of you," McDaniel told Tagovailoa. "I'm gonna make sure that when you look back at this day you're gonna be like, 'Damn, that was one of the best days of my career, too.'"



It’s one thing to say you’re excited to work with your new QB (whether he’s good or not) and it’s another to speak words that verbally commit to getting “greatness” out of him. Those words that McDaniel spoke, verbally tied Tua and him together. Especially, since he was willing to do it on camera.



After all, it was the reason McDaniel was hired — to fix the offense former HC Brian Flores could never build.



If general manager Chris Grier thought Tua was the problem, then why collude to fire Brian Flores and keep Tua? Why not keep Flores and trade for the quarterback he truly wanted in Deshaun Watson?



Because Tua is not the problem. He never was the problem. His supporting cast, a coach that favored a journeyman veteran and was too impatient with his rookie quarterback, and an offensive staff that consistently overturned annually throughout the Flores regime was the problem.



Flores may have been a defensive genius, but he demonstrated throughout his first stint as a head coach that he was more interested in building a defense than he was an offense.



As I mentioned, Flores changed coordinators, QB’s coaches, and OL coaches each season. He promoted Tua midway during his rookie season in 2020 when the quarterback was coming off a major hip injury, and veteran Fitzpatrick was hitting his stride in the formerly-retired Chan Gailey offense (an offense Fitzpatrick played in a handful of times before throughout his career). That move not only caught Tua off-guard, but Gailey and Fitzpatrick as well. Coming from the Patriots, it was almost like Flores expected Tua to replace Fitzpatrick much like Tom Brady replaced Drew Bledsoe. Flores expected immediate success and his impatience turned into frustration when Tua went through some hard learning experiences and rough patches, and eventually yanked Tua for Fitzpatrick on multiple occasions, and started venturing for Watson.



Under Flores, the Dolphins neglected to draft a running back in the Top rounds of the 2020 and 2021 draft. To this day we’ve seen the Dolphins fail to have a respectable rushing attack since the 2016 days of Jay Ajayi. Meanwhile, we’ve seen draftees of the past 2 seasons like Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, and Javonte Williams become stars.



Over Tua’s days as a Dolphin, we’ve seen him get hurt, yanked, and we complain that he isn’t doing enough on the field in comparison to Herbert or Joe Burrow his fellow peers of the 2020 draft.



But with what?



— a wide receiving corps that’s always hurt?



— running backs like Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, and Gerrid Doaks that were either 7th-round selections or undrafted?



— a poor offensive line that can’t get any push for the run-game and forces Tua to run for his life and dink-n-dunk down the field?



Tua has played, he’s started, but he hasn’t had a true chance.



Yet, players like Mike Gesicki and new arrival Tyreek Hill rave about his ball placement and accuracy.



Yet, despite having a rushing attack that ranked 30th in YPG, Tua helped the Dolphins have a 17th-ranked passing attack.



Yet, despite not having an “elite arm”, Tua was one of the best deep-ball throwers in the league.



Yet, despite not having much of a supporting cast, Tua converted 3rd-downs into 1st-downs 46% of the time last season, which was 5th-best in the league. This proves to an extent that Tua can put an offense on his shoulders and still move the ball.



Tua’s football IQ also allows him to process coverage and moving parts of the field quickly after the ball is snapped, and his feel for pocket awareness prevents him from taking more sacks than he should (20).



All of these are key elements to a QB’s game that will keep coaches intrigued about Tua’s potential. It’s the reason why the Dolphins are still moving forward with Tua. Because they believe that with his natural gifts and better weaponry, they can get even more out of him.



Mike McDaniel said as much on that phone call. He’s even made it understood to his locker room and the media that Teddy Bridgewater will be the backup. And by all accounts, Tua is still the Dolphins sure-fire starter heading into training camp.



And unless Tua falls flat on his face or gets a major injury in 2022, the Dolphins will stick with him.



And if they decide to move on, another team will pick him up, and have him compete for a starting job.



You know why?



Because (although people don’t want to admit it) he can do the most important a quarterback can do— throw the football.



If Carson Wentz and Teddy Bridgewater can go from team to team each year with their shortcomings and be still be starters — so can Tua.



If Sam Darnold can still miss games, throw interceptions, and still start — so can Tua.



And if Daniel Jones can head into his 4th season, still be on the same team, still be a starter with a 12-25 record, while playing worse and worse and WORSE each year….



So can Tua Tagovailoa.

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Wow... another stupid Tua is great thread... my God dude, I see you just joined but there are 1 million other threads with this same garbage... look before you post...
 
We are getting plagued by buffalo fans who liked Flores. Go figure since Brian could never beat them.
 
Love how some people assume something’s going to happen when they know absolutely nothing of what’s going on behind closed doors. They could be keeping all those picks to load up the team of talent, not replace the QB. If what some of these things people assumed happened; Watson, Wilson, Brady, and Payton would be on the Dolphins. It’s best to not think you know everything to avoid being called out or looking stupid.
 
If it takes time to justify Jacoby Brisset forget it
Quick answer on why he was ranked higher was Tua's NINE fumbles which the team also addressed beginning of the year. That kills a plaer's grade with their team and PFF. I was gonna go more detailed but that is enough to give Brisserr the edge. No NFL team would disagree with the importance of ball protection.
 
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