Not A Good Draft

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  1. killafinz

    killafinz Well-Known Member

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    Great post and completely agree, the more i watch on this kid the more i like him. I dont think there is one sucessful qb in this league that doesnt have a big ego. Look at the elites rodgers, brees, brady, and wilson. They all drip swagger and ego, they just know how to apply it in a positive way.
     
  2. SF Dolphin Fan

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    I think you hit it on the nose. If Rosen is the answer, Miami is in great shape moving forward. I give the front office credit for setting up the 2020 draft as well, with multiple picks in round 2, possibly round 3 (James), round four and I believe round 7.

    My biggest disappointment coming out of this draft was not capitalizing enough on the defensive end talent. Love the Wilkins pick. Love everything about this kid. But trading for Rosen did cost Miami a chance at another defensive lineman. Again, if Rosen is the guy we'll forget about who we could have had instead.
     
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    I believe those are the starters. Tunsil LT, Deiter LG, Kilgore C, Reed RG, Davis RT. I do think Asiata could have more value with this staff and could challenge at RG. Prince is a good bet to move inside to guard. I believe this is one area where we'll see a lot of improvement due to the new coaching staff.
     
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    I will be shocked if prince doesnt start at RT I think he really has the tools and this staff will maximise those skills.
     
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    Well said. I like the smash mouth approach to this draft. I also firmly believe Miami's plan was to get two starting caliber offensive lineman and two starting caliber defensive lineman. Seeing that Rosen was suddenly available they decided to go in another direction. Rosen will be the key to the draft.

    I'm not sure I love all the picks, but I think Wilkins has star ability. I love everything about his game. Deiter should start at LG and be a mauler in the run game. Prince is a developmental guy, who could end up at RG. He's another good run blocker.

    I like your point about Allen. He was uneven last year for Buffalo and the Bills ran the ball well.
     
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    I agree it was not a good draft. IT WAS A GREAT DRAFT!!!!!!!!
     
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    You are not making any sense. How are you not happy that we got Rosen for a 2 when just last year you were hoping to land him in the first round? Would you have rather we spent a first round pick on him?
     
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    Agreed on the starters. If I read the Prince situation correctly, he's more of a project, with huge size they covet for RT. The problem is that he is still raw, so to become useful they need to develop him, which means he's not really contributing much and likely not starting for a couple of years. Then when he's developed he becomes a FA, and we may not be able to afford him.

    He's the type of player the Dolphins used to draft … raw with great potential. We didn't win with that approach. I prefer the Patriots approach of drafting guys who have the technique and power to compete today, but may lack the top end potential. Without that top end potential, they're less likely to command a top-end salary in FA, and more likely to re-sign with us. That keeps our OL in tact and productive. So while Prince would make a lot of sense if we had a juggernaut team and were stashing a high reward project on the bench … he doesn't make as much sense for a rock bottom rebuilding effort that needs all hands on deck. But near the end of the draft … you can't be very picky. Either Prince develops into a huge monster at RT, or he doesn't … but he does have a chance to develop. Since we're in tank mode, he might even get reps as a starter … what do we really have to lose?
     
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    Classic B draft imo. Not much glitz and glam, but hit on players that may fit what you're trying to accomplish.

    My problem is everyone saying "Patriots type of draft". Look at what New England has done in the past five, exclude 2016 because whew!, drafts and tell me exactly what we did that was similar. We didn't accumulate multiple picks and we didn't get good value after Day 2 so I'm not sure where that line of thinking is coming from.

    The other glaring issue is that although we're not competing anytime soon, none of the players we selected move the needle.
     
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    Hopefully you are right. imo Kilgore is below avg even when healthy, and we are gonna need excellent C play to deal with Oliver and Williams in the future. I dont think Reed is really any good, but hopefully serviceable. And this is all predicated on the hope that we don't have any injuries on the line.
     
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    I see two opening day starters (Wilkins and Deiter) and 2 role players who should see spot action (Cox and Gaskin). Beyond that -- we landed a few developmental players (Van Ginkel and Prince). That said, the immediate impact of this draft is not going to radically alter the trajectory of this team. I think the best you can say about this draft is -- "fundamentally sound" based on the premise of addressing scheme needs with deferred results (future potential/upside) as opposed to going all in for more immediate impact.

    Of course the "value driven wager" on Rosen is where the gold (or fools gold) resides in this draft. My take is -- don't count on seeing much of Rosen this season unless he really ramps up his fundamentals and masters the O at a highly functional level. Point of fact is -- as evidenced by this draft -- the org is in no hurry out of the gate and 2019 is purely a developmental stage/bridge to the real future they're betting on in 2020 and beyond. Beyond that it would be totally FOOLISH to expose Rosen until they are highly confident in his basic soundness within the O along with consistently demonstrating efficiency/effectiveness practice after practice.

    Last, in terms of positioning ourselves for the highest draft position next year -- this draft accomplishes a lot in that direction. Simple fact is we could have added at least 2 more impact players (legit potential starters) with the R2 we traded along with a more aggressive approach in R3 R4. So I'd categorize this as "the draft that could have been" but was in large part deferred for longer term potential. So don't expect much immediate gratification...

    As always, it's impossible to determine if this was good - great - or suck draft until the core results (or lack thereof) become clarified. In a year or 2 this draft could look like a hero -- or a total loser.

    BNF
     
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    The best draft we have had in decades. PLAIN AND F******** SIMPLE.
     
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    Can we start banning people?
     
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    It's a good point. Miami hasn't done a great job of cap management either. There are a lot of talented players who are no longer on the team, which doesn't really make sense when you look at the overall roster. I think the Suh type of moves are the ones to learn from and avoid. His outrageous salary (good player obviously) made it impossible to keep players like Olivier Vernon, Jarvis Landry etc.
     
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    The problem is they have to play Rosen this season to see what they have in him. They need to know if he can be a franchise type QB by the end of the season. If they feel that he won't be, they will probably draft a QB in the 1st round next year. They don't have time to wait and find out down the road.
     

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