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I think 17 is the magic number. If we gave up 17 points, we can expect to win. More than that, no.
Okay...fair enough...then our Defense would have put us in the playoffs at 9-7.
I think 17 is the magic number. If we gave up 17 points, we can expect to win. More than that, no.
Okay...fair enough...then our Defense would have put us in the playoffs at 9-7.
Ok. 9-7 and a wildcard team. And you have to think based on how we've played that would be a quick exit. No better than when Wannstedt was here.
Again you made my point. Your "players" are on the wrong side of thirty. It is bad when your younger players cannot perform close to the level of your aging stars. I will give you Crowder he is a stud and young as well. But with the exception of JT and ZT and Crowder you have no other play-makers. That is why people are saying you DEF is old is all.
If you look at SD yes they have aging vets as well, every team does. But the reason you do not hear they are getting old is because their young players step up and play (yes even if it takes roids)
Your DEF will continually get bashed in the Media, until some of your young players step up and perform to the level of JT and ZT. Big shoes to fill there and until someone plays like these two, the media will bash away
of course...because our offense sucks. But that is a fact...with one unit (our special teams was weak as well) we would have made the playoffs.
I couldn't care less what the media thinks about the age of our defense, we ranked 4th in the league on defense, if that's old, I'll take it!
I admit tampa,i debated you on many accounts about saban,I WAS WRONG AND YOU WERE RIGHT,, man that sucks to admitOh yeah...I was calling Nick Saban out for three months and I have no credibility? I was consistently attacked for being reactionary and everything else...even criticized by you. Who has no credibility?
I'm not arguing that our defense wasn't good. It was. It wasn't good enough to carry the team.
And, I would argue, the best players on the defense, at least those who have played the most, are 30 or older. Keith Traylor probably isn't going to get any better. Kevin Carter probably isn't going to get any better. Same with Vonnie Holliday. JT is considered retiring, which leads me to believe he won't be here past 2008. ZT is probably going to retire in the next couple of years.
We have some young guys who have played some. If Rod Wright turns out to be a good player, if Evans can play, if Roth continues to develop...those are things that would bode well for us being a contender. But those aren't sure bets.
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The average age here is 30 and they are almost all starters....
tampa,you were right about saban all along,,,, i must say this has been an enjoyable thread, finole i think makes some good points and so do you tampa,i'am not to aware of your past so i'am non bias,if i may analyze for one moment it seems to me that you do not include hope or pontification in your analysis its more in the now which i respect as well, well a lot of us do including myself,i think daunte is gonna come back and be incredible,why do i think that,because thats what my football iq tells me,and i will include that in my future analysis,you have a unique perspective as far as this thread is concerned,i enjoy it keep it up.Ok. 9-7 and a wildcard team. And you have to think based on how we've played that would be a quick exit. No better than when Wannstedt was here.
Our defense isn't old at all. I'm tired of hearing that. 27 the average age? How is that old? Are we suppose to have a bunch of rookies in our defense or something?
I am tired of people complaining about our secondary too. Our secondary is fine. Perhaps if we had an offense that can stay on the field and control the clock, we wouldn't have to depend on our secondary all the time. Sure they gave up a good amount of big plays, but our opponents have also OWNED us in time of possession thanks to horrible inconsistent play calling from our offensive coordinator. You can't expect the defense to shut them out all the time, it's a team and we need an offense to balance out the defense.
So with that said, please stop the "WE MUST DRAFT DEFENSE IN THE 1ST ROUND" crap, because last I remember, our defense is ranked 4th and our offense is ranked 20th, which IMO is still an overrated rank for our offense, as we didn't put up many points to show for it. Our offense needs much help, and it starts at quarterback.
All things considered, I say how about we just take the best player still available, I mean good god this is going to be a deep, draft, only 8 playeres removed, there has to be someone left that we can take that will help us.....and what about the beefy lineman from Wisconsin?? Thomas, I think? He would be a very nice addition.Thank you! Yes!
We should draft LT Levi Brown in the 1st round, because Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn will be gone by the time we get to pick. If Brian Brohm and/or JaMarcus Russell declare, they will probably be taken by #9 as well.
Then we draft a Center in the 2nd round freeing up Hadnot to go back to where he's best - Guard.
Then we can pick up your guy, Tyler Palko, in the 3rd round.
Some other things to consider - If Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Jarrett are still on the board, do we draft a WR?
Also, if DE Gaines Adams or LB Paul Posluszny are still available when it's time for us to pick, it would be hard to pass them up. Because while I don't think our entire defense is old. JT and ZT are old. And Adams or Posluszny would be the most likely to eventually fill their shoes. What do you think?