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[byroan]

Apples and oranges. Should we compare Mcgee to Surtain? He's had more td's than Surtain playing kick returner.

Surtain isn't on our team and he doesn't return kicks.

 

[GreenMonster]

Apples and oranges. Should we compare Mcgee to Surtain? He's had more td's than Surtain playing kick returner.

Carter plays DE/DT.. Adams DT.. can I compare them yes.. Mcgee plays RB on offense... Surtain plays CB on defense.. Can I compare them, No..

 

[Justasportsfan]

Carter plays DE/DT.. Adams DT.. can I compare them yes.. Mcgee plays RB on offense... Surtain plays CB on defense.. Can I compare them, No..

McGee is our cb/kick returner. You might be thinking of MCGahee.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Surtain isn't on our team and he doesn't return kicks.

My point is, he has more TD's than Surtain and it came via returning kicks. Carter get's more sacks playing DE. Should McGee get a probowl nod at cb becuase he's been more productive as a returner even though he's a cb?

 

[Losman7]

Let's compare Schobel to Taylor then shall we? Taylor owns him in all categories. No one on Buffalo's line can compare to Taylor.

Agreed.

 

[GreenMonster]

McGee is our cb/kick returner. You might be thinking of MCGahee.

Do we really need to compare Surtain to any of the Bills corners..

 

[Losman7]

Totals since 2001 (last 4 years)

Aaron Schobel 147 37.5

Jason Taylor 169 49.5

Just for kicks..

Honestly, I think we are getting better value out of Schobel.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Here's another example, Clements has better nos. than Surtain strictly as a cb. Why was he Surtains alternate ? Respect is earned and Clements hasn't had a career long enough to compare to Surtain's.

Clements returns punts too.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Do we really need to compare Surtain to any of the Bills corners..

Why not? It's within the subject of comparing players and their nos. they've generated playing multiple positions. Kinda like Adams and Carter.

 

[GreenMonster]

My point is, he has more TD's than Surtain and it came via returning kicks. Carter get's more sacks playing DE. Should McGee get a probowl nod at cb becuase he's been more productive as a returner even though he's a cb?

Just to let you know there is a spot on the pro bowl team for Kick Return Specialist, which is what Terrence McGee won last year.. So he didn't steal a spot from a CB last year. Sorry I confused them to start.. Also I would agrue that Carter is more useful because of his ability to play inside and outside.. He is decent against the run, but not the beast that Adams is..

 

[Losman7]

Totals since 2001 (last 4 years)

Aaron Schobel 147 37.5

Kevin Carter 175 23.5

If you call that owned since Carter play inside about half the time.... Like to see Schobel line up inside a few times this year..

You're can't just take the Schobels solo tackles and Carter and Taylors assisted AND solo tackles. Here is the real numbers per NFL.com

Schobel
227 Tackles 34.5 Sacks

Carter
175 Tackles 23.5 Sacks

Taylor
263 Tackles 49.5 Sacks.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Just to let you know there is a spot on the pro bowl team for Kick Return Specialist, which is what Terrence McGee won last year.. So he didn't steal a spot from a CB last year. Sorry I confused them to start.. Also I would agrue that Carter is more useful because of his ability to play inside and outside.. He is decent against the run, but not the beast that Adams is..

I will not disagree that any player who can play multiple positions will have an advantage. I am just stating that just because Carter can play multiple positions and then use those nos. to say that Sam Adams as a DT is over rated is not fair.

 

[GreenMonster]

Stats since 2001 (last 4 years)

Nate Clements 209 tackles 18 ints

Patrick Surtain 157 tackles 20 ints

If you want to agrue that Clements is a more complete player because of his ability to return punts I will give you that.. But strickly as a CB Surtain is clearly a better player..

 

[Justasportsfan]

Stats since 2001 (last 4 years)

Nate Clements 209 tackles 18 ints

Patrick Surtain 157 tackles 20 ints

If you want to agrue that Clements is a more complete player because of his ability to return punts I will give you that.. But strickly as a CB Surtain is clearly a better player..

If you want to argue that Carter is a more complete player I will give you that. But strictly as a DT Sam Adams deserves his recognition. :D.


Adams couldn't have made probowl through fans alone because the bills have one of the smallest fan base. Players, Coaches and media vote on it too. Therefore not over rated.

 

[GreenMonster]

You're can't just take the Schobels solo tackles and Carter and Taylors assisted AND solo tackles. Here is the real numbers per NFL.com

Schobel
227 Tackles 34.5 Sacks

Carter
175 Tackles 23.5 Sacks

Taylor
263 Tackles 49.5 Sacks.

Carter has played inside at DT for a majority of the time the last 3 years.. This is why his tackles and sacks are down if you compare him to strickly pass rushers..