PFF "Cumulative Quarterback Summary" for 2013

[truedolfan57]

he was awful, stop looking at #s. he led his high powered O to 8 pts which came in garbage time where most of his positive #s came from. he was brutal, one of the worst SB performances of all time.

I didn't say geno beat Tannehill, I said he outplayed him. Geno played well, Ryan was terrible.

I'm not looking at numbers. I have yet to even look at the SB stats. what i saw, was manning having no time to throw. and when he did, his WR's weren't catching the ball.

And still, Geno playing better in one game, doesn't mean geno is better than tannehill, nor does it say anything about geno being a quality qb, as you imply, by saying he outplayed tannehill. sun does shine on a dogs ass once in a while.

 

[greasyObnoxious]

It does make me feel better that my QB vastly improved the last qtr of the season. I still don't have a long term read on him but it felt much better watching him finally progress late in the year. Now he will have better weapons to throw to and experience so we'll see if he can take a nice step forward.

that wasn't your point and you know it. yeah, geno outplayed Tannehill in the final game. kudos to him. it's not the first time a lesser QB outplays the better one. won't be the last time either.

 

[nyjunc]

Hey Junc when are you going to accept that the buttfumble is a bad QB, he never won anything and he was a complete failure for a first round pick after trading up.
Please stop acting like a Chihuahua, and accept the truth.

won 4 road playoff games, helped us reach 2 title games. for comparison sake

Miami Dolphins 1995-2013: 3 playoff wins
last title game app for Miami? 1992

I'm not looking at numbers. I have yet to even look at the SB stats. what i saw, was manning having no time to throw. and when he did, his WR's weren't catching the ball.

And still, Geno playing better in one game, doesn't mean geno is better than tannehill, nor does it say anything about geno being a quality qb, as you imply, by saying he outplayed tannehill. sun does shine on a dogs ass once in a while.

sometimes QBs have less time to throw, he needed to adjust. he failed to do so. it's not all on him but Seattle opponents didn't have problems scoring at Sea in the NFC playoffs.

nowhere have I ever said Geno was better than Ryan, I simply said geno outplayed him in the biggets game of Ryan's career.

I still have not committed to Geno, I am still not sold on him.

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that wasn't your point and you know it. yeah, geno outplayed Tannehill in the final game. kudos to him. it's not the first time a lesser QB outplays the better one. won't be the last time either.

my point was that list was garbage.

the supposed better one was playing a weaker team at home in the biggest game of his career. he failed.

 

[truedolfan57]

sometimes QBs have less time to throw, he needed to adjust. he failed to do so. it's not all on him but Seattle opponents didn't have problems scoring at Sea in the NFC playoffs.

nowhere have I ever said Geno was better than Ryan, I simply said geno outplayed him in the biggets game of Ryan's career.

I still have not committed to Geno, I am still not sold on him.

lol, you make it sound like the qb can adjust for everything. don't have enough time to throw? beat physics and adjust. Wr's aren't catching the ball? Make them catch the ball and adjust. Defense is just dominating your offense? Look into the future and adjust.

and give me a break. sure, you didn't say geno is better than tannehill in those words, but when it's brought up that geno sucks, and tannehill is good, you bring up, "but yet, geno outplayed tannehill in the biggest game of his career" bullsh!t. if you aren't implying that geno is better, then why even say something so stupid?

 

[Vaark]

You've usually gotta win in the season to earn your way into the playoffs! You know, "the old fashioned way" Henne also could have outdueled Curtis Painter, his merry band of scrubs and a Marvin Lewis lead dead team of starters and scrubs considering both were 7-7 and blowing games they needed to legitimately win along the way :idk:

So the fact that Sanchez crapped the bed and watched Kaedig miss 2 chip shots and a makeable long one while the rest of his team carried him to a 3pt victory against SD, and that Cinci which was outscored by more than 30pts in its last 6 games and essentially was a dead team walking by the time the Yets faced them notwithstanding, the Colts starters by leaving game 15 in the lead, outscoring the Yets 45-27 when in, including 24-0 in the final 31 minutes of the playoff game demonstrated that if not for a conscious decision by Polian and Caldwell, there would be no playoff round. This was emphasized as Sanchez and the Yets choked at home in game 14 against a dead dome Falcons team where they scored 7 points in a game everyone including Rex, in his presser knew they had to win to stay in playoff contention.

So for all intents and purposes, Sanchez was fortunate to be carried by a very good team in '10 but beyond that, he and Rex together have contributed 1 legitimate winning season out of the 4, (and Rex 1 out of 5). And unlike what Junc has claimed in the past, Sanchez, one of the weaker links in the Yets chain was carried by his better teammates and never "led" them anywhere or to anything.

In general, until the Yets ever can win 3 games in a postseason, they've never done anything (and that includes that pre-merger '67 ridiculous 2 game postseason).

 

[Ben Had]

It's what he does:lol2:

 

[sm0kinfins]

lol, you make it sound like the qb can adjust for everything. don't have enough time to throw? beat physics and adjust. Wr's aren't catching the ball? Make them catch the ball and adjust. Defense is just dominating your offense? Look into the future and adjust.

and give me a break. sure, you didn't say geno is better than tannehill in those words, but when it's brought up that geno sucks, and tannehill is good, you bring up, "but yet, geno outplayed tannehill in the biggest game of his career" bullsh!t. if you aren't implying that geno is better, then why even say something so stupid?

Are you new to HIS boards? It's what he does. Don't worry, he'll find a way to spin it, Vaark will make him look silly for doing so, junc will comment about photoshop and Nubs will deliver a sobering fact that neither will acknowledge.

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It's what he does:lol2:

hahaha! Apperantly we are of the same mind set. Saw your reply after posting my own. I'd thumbs up you but you seem to be missing the button.

 

[nyjunc]

lol, you make it sound like the qb can adjust for everything. don't have enough time to throw? beat physics and adjust. Wr's aren't catching the ball? Make them catch the ball and adjust. Defense is just dominating your offense? Look into the future and adjust.

and give me a break. sure, you didn't say geno is better than tannehill in those words, but when it's brought up that geno sucks, and tannehill is good, you bring up, "but yet, geno outplayed tannehill in the biggest game of his career" bullsh!t. if you aren't implying that geno is better, then why even say something so stupid?

he gets all the credit every time they succeed, why can't we criticize when he fails? regardless of the circumstances he failed.


I have never said geno was good or will be good, NEVER. I can't help it if you need to make things up.

I have never even bashed Ryan, I speak the truth. got better in 2013 but was mediocre not good and he cost his team a chance at postseason.

I did not imply Geno was better, simply stated a fact that in the biggest game of Ryan's career the guy who everyone says sucks badly outplayed him.

Are you new to HIS boards? It's what he does. Don't worry, he'll find a way to spin it, Vaark will make him look silly for doing so, junc will comment about photoshop and Nubs will deliver a sobering fact that neither will acknowledge.

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hahaha! Apperantly we are of the same mind set. Saw your reply after posting my own. I'd thumbs up you but you seem to be missing the button.

vaark make me look silly:lol2: good one. then next time that happens will be the first time though I am sure he is busy working on another bad photoshop dedicated to me.

 

[Vaark]

lol, you make it sound like the qb can adjust for everything. don't have enough time to throw? beat physics and adjust. Wr's aren't catching the ball? Make them catch the ball and adjust. Defense is just dominating your offense? Look into the future and adjust.

and give me a break. sure, you didn't say geno is better than tannehill in those words, but when it's brought up that geno sucks, and tannehill is good, you bring up, "but yet, geno outplayed tannehill in the biggest game of his career" bullsh!t. if you aren't implying that geno is better, then why even say something so stupid?

He's very big on "wormy semantics." He claims NOW to have never declared that buttfumble would be "great;" however, when he's on record as not trading him for any league QB ouside the top 5 usual suspects, has actually (per my sig) proclaims that he wouldn't even trade buttfumble for 2 first round picks or even more because "we have our FRANCHISE QB," then if his expectations are any less than developing into "greatness ," then he needs to reevaluate how he defines "franchise QB" and the true market value of a potentially "great" one.

 

[truedolfan57]

he gets all the credit every time they succeed, why can't we criticize when he fails? regardless of the circumstances he failed.


I have never said geno was good or will be good, NEVER. I can't help it if you need to make things up.

I have never even bashed Ryan, I speak the truth. got better in 2013 but was mediocre not good and he cost his team a chance at postseason.

I did not imply Geno was better, simply stated a fact that in the biggest game of Ryan's career the guy who everyone says sucks badly outplayed him.

I'm sure manning has had some games where he performed bad, but i honestly don't think the SB was one of them. I think he did everything he could, with what he had. The offensive line failed him, and his receivers failed him, in that game.

So you weren't implying geno was better, just pointing out that he outperformed tannehill in one game. kudos to you, i guess? i mean, essentially, you said nothing. shouldn't have even posted. because geno still sucks, and tannehill is still a better QB.

 

[nyjunc]

He's very big on "wormy semantics." He claims NOW to have never declared that buttfumble would be "great;" however, when he's on record as not trading him for any league QB ouside the top 5 usual suspects, has actually (per my sig) proclaims that he wouldn't even trade buttfumble for 2 first round picks or even more because "we have our FRANCHISE QB," then if his expectations are any less than developing into "greatness ," then he needs to reevaluate how he defines "franchise QB" and the true market value of a potentially "great" one.

claims now? you save all my old posts, find one where ever said he would be great? good luck w/ that.

I will always admit what I say, I did say I wouldn't trade him for 2 1st rd picks and I wouldn't have though now I would

the problem w/ my team wasn't the QB, it was the talent around the QB. when he had top half of the league talent he helped us reach title games, when he didn't he struggled.


this game is about winning, he helped us get to 2 title games. That isn't easy and many supposed much better QBs w/ more talent around them haven't done that. I would much rather have a QB like Mark than a meaningless stat guy you can't win with.

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I'm sure manning has had some games where he performed bad, but i honestly don't think the SB was one of them. I think he did everything he could, with what he had. The offensive line failed him, and his receivers failed him, in that game.

So you weren't implying geno was better, just pointing out that he outperformed tannehill in one game. kudos to you, i guess? i mean, essentially, you said nothing. shouldn't have even posted. because geno still sucks, and tannehill is still a better QB.

He was terrible in the SB, that cannot be disputed. that doesn't mean he gets all the blame but he was not good.

I have said I would take Ryan over Geno, I have said I think Ryan can be a good QB in this league and I have said I am still not sold on Geno. I always hear how badly Geno sucks, I was simply pointing out that terrible QB badly outplayed your "top 10"() QB in the biggest game of Ryan's career.

 

[sm0kinfins]

He's very big on "wormy semantics." He claims NOW to have never declared that buttfumble would be "great;" however, when he's on record as not trading him for any league QB ouside the top 5 usual suspects, has actually (per my sig) proclaims that he wouldn't even trade buttfumble for 2 first round picks or even more because "we have our FRANCHISE QB," then if his expectations are any less than developing into "greatness ," then he needs to reevaluate how he defines "franchise QB" and the true market value of a potentially "great" one.

Parts 1, 2 and 3 of my prophesy have been fulfilled. Junc spun, Vaark made him look silly, Junc brought up photoshop... Where you at Nubs?

 

[truedolfan57]

I have said I would take Ryan over Geno, I have said I think Ryan can be a good QB in this league and I have said I am still not sold on Geno. I always hear how badly Geno sucks, I was simply pointing out that terrible QB badly outplayed your "top 10"() QB in the biggest game of Ryan's career.

i know, and what's the point of saying that? it means absolutely nothing, because ryan is still the better qb. It would be like saying Brunell outperformed Marino in his last nfl game. wgaf?

 

[Vaark]

So then you have low expectations for what a "Franchise QB" should be (you know like Schaub and Alex Smith.. and buttfumble resembling either of them would be a quantum improvement) and you'd be wrong (again). Me? If I'm gonna declare that I wouldn't trade Tannehill (who's shown more natural ability than buttfumble) for 2 first round picks at a point where there's more justification to keep him than when you declared the same about buttfumble), or that he's also now our "franchise" QB; not that I hope he will become, then I'd look almost as foolish as you.

I see you've stopped declaring that buttfumble "led" the Yets to 2 postseasons.. and have even denied that you used that specific adverb. My reaction is LOL, cuz I knew that lie was egregious so I'll admit I did a fast search myself to confirm my suspicions. Lemme know when you want to see links to a few :up:

I apologize to anyone reading these derailings that we've gone off course in demonstrating that someone who ever thought buttfumble was worth a first round trade, let alone more, thought that a QB who PFF using objective standards, even when giving the benefit of the doubt adjusting for the level of support he received from receivers and the OL was ever more one of the worst 15% in the league, (despite being labeled a "top 10" and was deemed a "Franchise QB" really should not be taken too seriously when it comes to opining opposing QBs

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i know, and what's the point of saying that? it means absolutely nothing, because ryan is still the better qb. It would be like saying Brunell outperformed Marino in his last nfl game. wgaf?

Or even more ridiculously, that buttfumble once outperformed Brady his first year back. :idk:

 

[nyjunc]

Parts 1, 2 and 3 of my prophesy have been fulfilled. Junc spun, Vaark made him look silly, Junc brought up photoshop... Where you at Nubs?

the next time he makes me look silly will be the first time. you can say it all you want

i know, and what's the point of saying that? it means absolutely nothing, because ryan is still the better qb. It would be like saying Brunell outperformed Marino in his last nfl game. wgaf?

Brunell was better than marino at that point in time though obviously nowhere near him for his career and are you saying the gap is like marino's career to brunell's? Ryan has done nothing in this league, he's better than Geno as of now and may always be better but the one time he had a chance to do something he failed and was badly outplayed by a guy who supposedly sucks.