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Philbin Supporters: Make Your Case

roy_miami said:
There have been subtle clues the team is ascending this season. We were in the top 10 in the power rankings twice. The biggest indication however is the betting lines have almost always been surprising to shocking to me. As fans I think we're too close to the situation, we can't see the forest for the trees and need to rely on outside forces to ground us. When did Seahawks fans realize they became a good team? I guarantee some of them were still bashing Pete Carol and Russel Wilson well into their season last year, maybe some still are. After the Patriots game I thought that maybe we made the leap from average to good, even with the worst o-line in franchise history giving up the most sacks and was good for 6th worst in rushing yards in franchise history.

Something must be at play here--I know the reason is not Ireland, its not Sherman, Coyle and the defense isn't great, Tannehill is a good QB but he's no difference maker yet. What we've been great at is being disciplined (fewest penalty yards over the past 2 seasons) and game/clock management. I think people underestimate how much a "stupid" coach undermines a team, like Sparano calling timeouts on turnovers, not all football players are dumb as rocks, if they see their headcoach is stupid how can they respect him? I don't know if Philbin is good or just another average coach but I'm pretty sure he's not bad and I think its worth risking one more season of mediocrity to avoid the risk firing a good coach.

I'd give him one more year and anything short of 10 wins discard him and probably Tannehill along with him.
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What the @$%^? This is the kind of logic in the negativity camp that just doesn't make any sense to me. Would you really "discard" an average to above average QB for just any old replacement you can scrape out of the FA market or draft? I don't get it! Is there no concept of simply bringing in more QB talent and letting the cards fall where they may? It WORKED in Seattle!! It WORKED in San Francisco!! Jeez... but let's just discard Tannehill if it doesn't all come together next season. We can draft John Beck Jr. or Johnny Foosball and see if Dan Garrard wants to steal another paycheck in a "faux" QB competition. Whatever we do, let's not emulate the successes of other young coaches like Harbaugh.

Let's think about the positives with Joe Philbin. One of those I would mention, and note that I lean towards flushing the whole bunch after week 17, is the change in culture. Philbin has at least successfully changed the way the media and NFL view the Miami Dolphins. This has less to do with X's and O's and more to do with how players view this organization. It did ultimately sway Gibson into signing with us. I think that Philbin has shown to be a good offseason head coach.

When Philbin was hired, we were sold on the notion that he was somehow a cerebral type who is very thoughtful, calculating, and that also implies wit. I don't see it yet. I expect adjustments during games, and I also expect adjustments in the coaching staff. He has to show that there is accountability not just with the players but with the assistants. If he really truly believes that Mike Sherman is an asset, then he needs to show us where the problem is. I'm afraid it could be Ryan Tannehill in the same way that OC Henning got scorched around here for the lack of offense with QB Chad Henne. BUT if that's the case, Philbin would be beyond wise to push for more QB competition.

One last positive about Joe Philbin is that it is empirically shown that continuity is a faster path to success than shuffling through a bunch of unproven coaches. Harbaugh in San Fran had the look of certain success... but then so did Nick Saban. lol For the most part, average coaches find their way to success; just look at Jeff Fisher. Allowing Joe Philbin a third season isn't the worst possibility. After all, someone took a chance on Bill Belichick after his first rough run as HC. What I'm saying is that a rough first couple of seasons does not tell a whole story about someone.

If anything, there is more riding on the success of Ryan Tannehill, and I could even believe that the coaching matters much less at this point. This team soars or crashes with him and not Joe Philbin or Jeff Ireland.
 
gofins60 said:
When Philbin took over, everyone knew that the o-line needed upgrading. After two years, the o-line is worse. You can try to blame that all on Ireland, but the fact is if Philbin knew what he was doing he would have demanded a better o-line.
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We tried to sign Long and failed. We tried to trade for Albert and failed. We signed what, 3 free agent guards? All bad. We drafted o-line in the third round--bust. We signed Clabo--terrible. And finally we traded for Mckinnie mid-season. All before the tackle we drafted in the second round the year before took out 2 of our starters.

Uhh, if Philbin didn't "demand" improvements on the line who orchestrated all of the above moves? That looks to me like we tried to make improvements at every position on the line except center, notice the key word tried.
 
To me it's a package deal...either keep them all (this sucks) or fire them all.
No pieces parts thing this time.
 
Zounds said:
Right, because when you said "anyone who votes no in this poll is a moron" was really constructive. No actual reasons for your opinion offered by you, just a blanket "you are a moron" statement for anyone who disagrees with you. Pot calling the kettle black here.
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I've stated my reasons why I'd be perfectly happy to see Philbin go in other threads. This thread is for Philbin supporters to state their reasons why they want to keep him.

But if you insist,

1. Offense has regressed since he got here, despite the fact that he was hired to install his offensive system and philosophy.
2. I think he has chosen bad assistant coaches (nepotism) and this is a source of failure within the team.
3. He doesn't believe in running the football -- he thinks it has no inherent value at all.
4. The run defense has regressed badly since he has been here.
5. If we hire a new GM -- which I feel is needed IMMEDIATELY -- then that GM needs to have the freedom to make his own determination about the coach. I don't believe Joe Philbin's team has demonstrated enough competence in any core area for me to feel he is untouchable in that scenario.


There are some good things about Joe Philbin, such as:

1. The team isn't penalized frequently.
2. Turnovers for our defense have increased.
3. We've blocked a couple of kicks since he's been here, and I don't think we made a single play like that on special teams in the ten years before he arrived.

However, none of those are compelling enough to cause me to ignore reasons to see him gone #1 through 5.

And yes, I believe anyone who feels Jeff Ireland has done a good job and should be retained as the team's General Manager is a moron.
 
Namor said:
Well,his background is in offensive lines..so..yea.
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and i can agree with this bc the oline sucked before the whole bully thing. So if philbin had a hand in keeping the line that way then wtf was he thinking?
 
MacGruber1 said:
Im not saying Philbin should stay, but is that O line his fault?
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I've been hearing all year how Philbin and Ireland have been working together to get "his guys"...now all of a sudden, people are trying to separate the two. Too ****ing late...yes, the OL is on Philbin and Ireland.
 
JTC111 said:
Neatest locker room in the NFL.
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Namor said:
Well,his background is in offensive lines..so..yea.
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I'm on the fence about Philbin but to his defense the OL has sucked since Sparano who was an OL coach. The consistent state of our OL sucking for so long tells me it's more of a talent evaluation problem than coaching. It's both but more evaluation. This leads me to put more blame on our GM.
 
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