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Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

It literally baffles me how the fans of the Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins can realistically take any side in an analysis of Ryan Tannehill vs. The World that supports the notion Super Bowl victories and Post Season records are indicative of individual achievement or ability.

The equation hasn't changed since the dawn of the forward pass; Wins and Losses are a measurement of the Team. Individual Statistics are a measurement of the QB.

And trying to invalidate a person's OPINION based on their support of a notion is idiotic. You do not have to know how to build a multistage rocket to appreciate we have landed people on the moon and orbited humans around the Earth.

Ryan Tannehill's ceiling and ability as an NFL QB cannot be truly ascertained. We only know one definitive thing heading into Year 3; he hasn't stopped improving or learning. Considering most QBs start to ceiling after Year 1 or 2, I think it is phenomenal he has yet to show signs of leveling off.

When he came out, people like Jaws and Gruden were enamored by the ceiling and ability to learn this kid projects. We haven't been disappointed yet. I think his path is longer and more unconventional than most, but it refreshing to know he only gets better.

Just for a minute, look at Weeden. He was on the original comparison list. Where is he now? Weeden was a known commodity when he came out. He never proved to be more than he was in college. Many of the QBs in the list have not improved or developed new aspects of their game since college. RT has taken giant strides. He has not stopped developing and is actually living up to the billing that he may take longer to plateau but he has a higher ceiling.

Each year we are seeing his personal growth in a lot of areas. His talent and skill set is still growing. I think Wilson, Luck and Tanny will be the long term gems of the class. Each will have distinct calling cards and histories, but for a franchise that has been without hope and legitimacy at QB for so long... I feel fortunate we have Ryan Tannehill.

Ask a Bill's fan if he would rather have avoided the legacy of 4 Super Bowl losses or enjoyed the winning and memories of Jim Kelly's tenure.

Would you have rather not drafted Dan Marino?

Enjoy the ride. We are finally moving forward.
 
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phinfan40353 said:
It literally baffles me how the fans of the Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins can realistically take any side in an analysis of Ryan Tannehill vs. The World that supports the notion Super Bowl victories and Post Season records are indicative of individual achievement or ability.

The equation hasn't changed since the dawn of the forward pass; Wins and Losses are a measurement of the Team. Individual Statistics are a measurement of the QB.

And trying to invalidate a person's OPINION based on their support of a notion is idiotic. You do not have to know how to build a multistage rocket to appreciate we have landed people on the moon and orbited humans around the Earth.

Ryan Tannehill's ceiling and ability as an NFL QB cannot be truly ascertained. We only know one definitive thing heading into Year 3; he hasn't stopped improving or learning. Considering most QBs start to ceiling after Year 1 or 2, I think it is phenomenal he has yet to show signs of leveling off.

When he came out, people like Jaws and Gruden were enamored by the ceiling and ability to learn this kid projects. We haven't been disappointed yet. I think his path is longer and more unconventional than most, but it refreshing to know he only gets better.

Just for a minute, look at Weeden. He was on the original comparison list. Where is he now? Weeden was a known commodity when he came out. He never proved to be more than he was in college. Many of the QBs in the list have not improved or developed new aspects of their game since college. RT has taken giant strides. He has not stopped developing and is actually living up to the billing that he may take longer to plateau but he has a higher ceiling.

Each year we are seeing his personal growth in a lot of areas. His talent and skill set is still growing. I think Wilson, Luck and Tanny will be the long term gems of the class. Each will have distinct calling cards and histories, but for a franchise that has been without hope and legitimacy at QB for so long... I feel fortunate we have Ryan Tannehill.

Ask a Bill's fan if he would rather have avoided the legacy of 4 Super Bowl losses or enjoyed the winning and memories of Jim Kelly's tenure.

Would you have rather not drafted Dan Marino?

Enjoy the ride. We are finally moving forward.
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Great post! And how many of the Tannehill detractors screamed when we didn't draft Weeden?

Exactly.
 
most qbs by year 3 as a starter you know what you have...i firmly believe that with tannehill it will be years 4 and 5 before we know exactly how this qb will be defined

there's plenty of meat still on the bone
 
hooshoops said:
brady looked like a full on retard at the combine...i was just saying that making a rule about unless you have been great you won't be is while the odds are probably in your favor over the course of time anything but bullet proof

and as such don't carry much merit

b/t tannehills and bradys #s the first 2 years are kinda eerily similar...
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Minus all the wins, late game comebacks and championships they are almost identical.

Brady didn't look like an NFL player at the combine. No one could have predicted that skinny(fat) young guy would be durable or athletic enough to compete at that level let alone become the best QB of his generation. Sometimes you need luck and NE got

it.

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hooshoops said:
most qbs by year 3 as a starter you know what you have...i firmly believe that with tannehill it will be years 4 and 5 before we know exactly how this qb will be defined

there's plenty of meat still on the bone
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the problem w/ that is most QBs don't get a chance to wait until years 4 and 5 w/ their original team.

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phinfan40353 said:
It literally baffles me how the fans of the Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins can realistically take any side in an analysis of Ryan Tannehill vs. The World that supports the notion Super Bowl victories and Post Season records are indicative of individual achievement or ability.

The equation hasn't changed since the dawn of the forward pass; Wins and Losses are a measurement of the Team. Individual Statistics are a measurement of the QB.

And trying to invalidate a person's OPINION based on their support of a notion is idiotic. You do not have to know how to build a multistage rocket to appreciate we have landed people on the moon and orbited humans around the Earth.

Ryan Tannehill's ceiling and ability as an NFL QB cannot be truly ascertained. We only know one definitive thing heading into Year 3; he hasn't stopped improving or learning. Considering most QBs start to ceiling after Year 1 or 2, I think it is phenomenal he has yet to show signs of leveling off.

When he came out, people like Jaws and Gruden were enamored by the ceiling and ability to learn this kid projects. We haven't been disappointed yet. I think his path is longer and more unconventional than most, but it refreshing to know he only gets better.

Just for a minute, look at Weeden. He was on the original comparison list. Where is he now? Weeden was a known commodity when he came out. He never proved to be more than he was in college. Many of the QBs in the list have not improved or developed new aspects of their game since college. RT has taken giant strides. He has not stopped developing and is actually living up to the billing that he may take longer to plateau but he has a higher ceiling.

Each year we are seeing his personal growth in a lot of areas. His talent and skill set is still growing. I think Wilson, Luck and Tanny will be the long term gems of the class. Each will have distinct calling cards and histories, but for a franchise that has been without hope and legitimacy at QB for so long... I feel fortunate we have Ryan Tannehill.

Ask a Bill's fan if he would rather have avoided the legacy of 4 Super Bowl losses or enjoyed the winning and memories of Jim Kelly's tenure.

Would you have rather not drafted Dan Marino?

Enjoy the ride. We are finally moving forward.
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wait, so now Ryan is comparable to Dan? Dan was an elite QB pretty much from the moment he became the starter.

Dan carried teams to postseasons, he didn't hold them back like Ryan did last year.
 
nyjunc said:
Minus all the wins, late game comebacks and championships they are almost identical.

Brady didn't look like an NFL player at the combine. No one could have predicted that skinny(fat) young guy would be durable or athletic enough to compete at that level let alone become the best QB of his generation. Sometimes you need luck and NE got

it.

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the problem w/ that is most QBs don't get a chance to wait until years 4 and 5 w/ their original team.

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wait, so now Ryan is comparable to Dan? Dan was an elite QB pretty much from the moment he became the starter.

Dan carried teams to postseasons, he didn't hold them back like Ryan did last year.
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now finjim....THIS is a troll.
 
phinfan40353 said:
It literally baffles me how the fans of the Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins can realistically take any side in an analysis of Ryan Tannehill vs. The World that supports the notion Super Bowl victories and Post Season records are indicative of individual achievement or ability.

The equation hasn't changed since the dawn of the forward pass; Wins and Losses are a measurement of the Team. Individual Statistics are a measurement of the QB.

And trying to invalidate a person's OPINION based on their support of a notion is idiotic. You do not have to know how to build a multistage rocket to appreciate we have landed people on the moon and orbited humans around the Earth.

Ryan Tannehill's ceiling and ability as an NFL QB cannot be truly ascertained. We only know one definitive thing heading into Year 3; he hasn't stopped improving or learning. Considering most QBs start to ceiling after Year 1 or 2, I think it is phenomenal he has yet to show signs of leveling off.

When he came out, people like Jaws and Gruden were enamored by the ceiling and ability to learn this kid projects. We haven't been disappointed yet. I think his path is longer and more unconventional than most, but it refreshing to know he only gets better.

Just for a minute, look at Weeden. He was on the original comparison list. Where is he now? Weeden was a known commodity when he came out. He never proved to be more than he was in college. Many of the QBs in the list have not improved or developed new aspects of their game since college. RT has taken giant strides. He has not stopped developing and is actually living up to the billing that he may take longer to plateau but he has a higher ceiling.

Each year we are seeing his personal growth in a lot of areas. His talent and skill set is still growing. I think Wilson, Luck and Tanny will be the long term gems of the class. Each will have distinct calling cards and histories, but for a franchise that has been without hope and legitimacy at QB for so long... I feel fortunate we have Ryan Tannehill.

Ask a Bill's fan if he would rather have avoided the legacy of 4 Super Bowl losses or enjoyed the winning and memories of Jim Kelly's tenure.

Would you have rather not drafted Dan Marino?

Enjoy the ride. We are finally moving forward.
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Excellent, excellent post. This is what I've been saying since Day 1. Not only was Tannehill figuring out the NFL when he started week one of 2012...he was still figuring out the position.

A good friend and I talk all the time about QB play; he's a huge Seahawks fan, so, naturally, he's on top of the world right now. We've compared Wilson and Tannehill since they were drafted, and Wilson is a wonderfully savvy, game managing QB who does very, very many things very well. But he's not the physical specimen Tannehill is. We know what Wilson is; he's a completed product, who led a very, very good team to a Super Bowl win last year.

We still don't know what Tannehill is. There are things that he does that make you absolutely gasp in wonder, and things he does that make you absolutely gasp with horror. But keep this in mind:

When Russell Wilson started his first game in the NFL, he had 50 games under his belt as a QB.

Ryan Tannehill had his 50th start as a QB after high school against the Patriots in week 14 last year.

He's still learning.
 
nyjunc said:
wait, so now Ryan is comparable to Dan? Dan was an elite QB pretty much from the moment he became the starter.

Dan carried teams to postseasons, he didn't hold them back like Ryan did last year.
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Blaming either of those losses squarely on Tannehill is myopic. But, then, you are looking through green-colored glasses.
 
Absolutely ridiculous for anyone to ignore the quality of the supporting cast when evaluating a QBs success....One who argues advertises their lack of knowledge of this team sport.

You can keep babbling about how Miami can run but chose not too all day...but it doesn't' change the facts about why Miami was in 3rd and long such a high percentage of the time.

We all know who closely watch this team certain realities.....

1) They couldn't run effectively when they needed too.

2) They were extremely bad at pass protect.

3) They could not effectively stop the run.

To argue these things don't effect a QB is stupidity.

I haven't seen Tannehill supporter suggest he is a finished product, rather, I think they understand the handicap he's been under and are at least satisfied enough with his two year progression to hold over the top criticism until he's afforded playing with a full deck like Wilson has enjoyed.

I like Wilson, don't get me wrong...but his early has certainly been help by being surrounded by a superior team.

Just as Dan Marino's rookie was....let's remember Dan was drafted by the AFC champions who David Woodley was able to take too Super bowl 17.

I had to laugh at Junc using Marino to Slam Tannehill.....as if the 2011 Dolphins were a playoff team he joined Like Dan joined.
 
nyjunc said:
the problem w/ that is most QBs don't get a chance to wait until years 4 and 5 w/ their original team.
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Fortunately for you, and according to Geno Smith, you can expect him to be a top 5 QB very soon :chuckle:
 
The Goat said:
Blaming either of those losses squarely on Tannehill is myopic. But, then, you are looking through green-colored glasses.
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he was the man most responsible for the Jet loss. and it's not just about lading their O to 7 pts total in 2 games against mediocre teams, if he was better earlier in the season you win another game or 2 and the last 2 are irrelevant.

BlueFin said:
Absolutely ridiculous for anyone to ignore the quality of the supporting cast when evaluating a QBs success....One who argues advertises their lack of knowledge of this team sport.

You can keep babbling about how Miami can run but chose not too all day...but it doesn't' change the facts about why Miami was in 3rd and long such a high percentage of the time.

We all know who closely watch this team certain realities.....

1) They couldn't run effectively when they needed too.

2) They were extremely bad at pass protect.

3) They could not effectively stop the run.

To argue these things don't effect a QB is stupidity.

I haven't seen Tannehill supporter suggest he is a finished product, rather, I think they understand the handicap he's been under and are at least satisfied enough with his two year progression to hold over the top criticism until he's afforded playing with a full deck like Wilson has enjoyed.

I like Wilson, don't get me wrong...but his early has certainly been help by being surrounded by a superior team.

Just as Dan Marino's rookie was....let's remember Dan was drafted by the AFC champions who David Woodley was able to take too Super bowl 17.

I had to laugh at Junc using Marino to Slam Tannehill.....as if the 2011 Dolphins were a playoff team he joined Like Dan joined.
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Mariano carried worse teams to postseasons, obviously they were stacked in 1984 but eventually most of those guys left.


Ryan had more than enough talent around him to help Miami reach postseason.

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Zounds said:
Fortunately for you, and according to Geno Smith, you can expect him to be a top 5 QB very soon :chuckle:
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don't deflect(and go read his actual quote w/ context).

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psfign said:
now finjim....THIS is a troll.
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No, this is someone who lives in reality while some homers can't deal with it.
 
BlueFin said:
The fact is...Marino took over the AFC Champions...and perennial playoff team.
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he sure did but most of those guys were gone w/in a few years and he took teams that had no business being in the playoffs to the playoffs later in his career.
 
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