Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

[PhinFan1968]

This is off topic but pre-2008 I didn't follow offseasons at all, sometimes I had no idea who our coach or QB was going to be but always watched every game and week one truly believed we had as much shot to win a championship as anybody.

Now I have evolved, I know the roster inside and out and follow the team almost 365 days a year. With the new found information I can more accurately predict our chances at winning, and I definitely do not believe its 32-1 anymore.

So was I a better fan then when I followed the team less but had a more optimistic outlook, or am I a better fan now, spending 1000s of extra hours per year following the team and the league in general, but have a more pessimistic outlook?

The definition is plain...I didn't create it.

I follow them all year long as well, and have a more positive outlook. Maybe its because I'm naturally an optimistic person and have a strong faith that people can overcome things, given my life's evolution. I don't see the enjoyment of predicting the worst just so I can say "I told you so" when it happens. It's much more relaxing to just have the faith that they'll do better and hope for the best...nobody wants to fail, why should I expect or want them to? I love this team, and have for 40 years, and have they disappointed my expectations? Sure as hell have, but so what? Did it hurt my family? Did it cause me physical or financial harm? Not in the slightest.

They haven't won the super bowl since before I knew what the Miami Dolphins were. Will they win one before I pass on? Who knows...I don't really care. I'd love to see it, but in the long run, it doesn't really matter...it's a small satisfaction. The Marino years were FAR more painful to me than sending out a consistent 7-9/8-8 team from a disappointment standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I loved watching the guy sling it. At least during the past few years, there's at least a chance they can overcome expectations and do something special...even if it DOESN'T end in a ring. Marino's Dolphins were CONSTANTLY predicted to win the Super Bowl, and never did, so which is the bigger disappointment?

Michael Thomas made the season for me last year in the last series of the Pats @ Dolphins game. That was the best feeling I've had watching them since the fake spike, I doesn't matter they didn't win the Super Bowl, even if it was a disappointment they missed the playoffs the way they did.

Nothing in this life will EVER give you 100% satisfaction and enjoyment, especially when that thing is completely outside your control. I'd love them to win the Super Bowl 5 or 6 times, hell, every year for a decade, but that's simply not realistic for any team. As long as the Michael Thomas' do what they do and I can gain some excitement and satisfaction from it, what more can I ask? As long as they give it an honest effort and try, and not quit, I'm a fan.

 

[PhinFan1968]

So who's REALLY being ridiculous here?

The dictionary, evidently. Call Miriam and Webster's to fix it.

 

[roy_miami]

Apparently, 'Crucifying' = acknowledging someone played poor.

Got it.

Yeah I'm pretty sure the whole "fanbase" is in agreement that Tannehill played poorly week 17, but if say that out loud it becomes a crucifixion all of a sudden.

 

[johngarryvo]

Ryan Tannehill.. not the guy. jmo. sorry

 

[EricCartman]

so much straw man in this thread that it hurts.

anyway, IMO, the high point was when someone said that a qb with around 80 qb rating and under 7 ypa cannot be compared to wilson, just to add that Luck(wilson is touhg call. I mean... why set a standard (qb rating around 80, ypa under 7) just to disregard it a minute later? I don't get it, it is kind like shooting yourself in the foot before a foot race

and I don't get it why you are so hot in this discussion: none of you (us) is a professional and everyone has his own opinion, what's the point telling other people they are dumb, don't know football, have a 6 year child mind and so on? none of us can be sure about this, we are all just guessing (how much OL impacted, how good wilson would have been in miami, how these young QBs will develop and so on), it is not like science or math, that you can say 2+2=4 and if you cant accept it you're dumb, so I don't get why get angry or offensive if someone disagree ( if u call other peolpe dumb or childish or call in question their competence, it is kind of offensive and doesn't help any rational discussion)

rant over and as usual sorry for my english

 

[BlueFin]

Seattle had the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL in 2013. If the OL was as bad as Miami's, how can this be? They gave up 44 sacks which is the middle of the pack.

Regarding Russell Wilson, he was 22nd in the league in pass attempts. He didn't need to throw as often as other QBs b/c the running game and OL are at worst not bad.

But wait...Junc posted repeatedly it was as bad as Miami's...and as he pointed out he posts the truth?

I'm quite sure Seattle's overall pass protect was better too...our runningbacks were pathetic.

He is simply here to troll a and agitate.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Out of curiosity, for the people claiming that we're hating on Tannehill, what would Russell Wilson have to do for you to consider him better than Ryan Tannehill?

 

[MD]

The bottom line to this debate is that you don't need an "elite" QB to win a Super Bowl. After all, Russell Wilson hammered an "elite" QB in the last one and Wilson, though very good at managing a team and making plays, is not elite.

 

[roy_miami]

The bottom line to this debate is that you don't need an "elite" QB to win a Super Bowl. After all, Russell Wilson hammered an "elite" QB in the last one and Wilson, though very good at managing a team and making plays, is not elite.

What if you're wrong and Wilson is elite right now, how would the results look different in your estimation?

 

[nyjunc]

Of course I understand. You can speculate about the reasons for the disparity in the sack stats and so can I. IMO, the sacks by unblocked defenders are on the QB. They have to recognize where the unblocked defender will come from. Clearly you don't understand that. The coverage sacks are also on the QB. You and the other Tannehaters are all over Tannehill for not getting rid of the ball and taking sacks. For Wilson, so how that is a strength. You continue to try to have it both ways. Won't work. You give Wilson credit for avoiding sacks and take away credit from his OL for coverage sacks in the span of two sentences.

Miami's OL gave up more blown block sacks AND quick sacks. The numbers line up even if you don't want them to.

according to who?

I thought you only dealt with facts? Despite not choosing to use statistics to back your views up...

I use #s but in context, I don't just throw out meaningless #s. The only #s I truly care about are wins and losses and how players help their teams achieve those wins and losses. It is of my opinion Ryan was not good in that dep't last year regardless of all the excuses.

Nice deflection when called on making stuff up.

And there's plenty to suggest he stacks up with Wilson in many categories, and is better in some, worse in others, objectively speaking.

If Tannehill was handcuffed and forced into statue mode by Sherman, there's no way to directly compare the two. If he wasn't and was free to roam, then I'd say Wilson's far ahead.

Judging by the amount of screens/keepers/roll-outs we called last year (1 friggin 1-step-drop pass ALL YEAR) compared to Seattle, I'd lean toward the handcuffed angle...but I doubt we'll ever know.

I'd say Miami's 2013 Offense was 2 tiers below Seattle's, and personally lay most of the blame for that on Sherman/Philbin. I wouldn't agree to the same disparity between RT / RW.

he doesn't stack up w/ Wilson in any category. #s tell part of the story, watch the 2 play. Stevie Wonder could see Wilson is miles ahead of Ryan.

He was 20-18 at NC State. WTF are you two smoking? Making a point is easy when you can just make **** up.




As opposed to Cam Newton, for example?

who cares what he did at NC State w/ less talent than Ryan had at A&M and the same Cam Newton that led his team to a div title and 1st rd bye last year?

As long as you get to decide what is meaningful. Tannehill has thrown for more yards in both seasons. And before you raise some BS exception to passing yards being meaningful. It is the first stat shown on NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/stats/player?seasonType=REG

Tannehill was also ranked higher by PFF.

As long as you keep taking extreme positions, I'll keep shooting them down.

you aren't shooting anything down. yardage can be so misleading especially when the 2 years thye have been in the league Ryan has thrown it almost 300 MORE times than Wilson and despite that he has 16 LESS TD passes.

Wilson averages 8.1 yds per attempt, Ryan 6.7

But wait...Junc posted repeatedly it was as bad as Miami's...and as he pointed out he posts the truth?

I'm quite sure Seattle's overall pass protect was better too...our runningbacks were pathetic.

He is simply here to troll a and agitate.

you may want to go back and read the response to that misleading post. You will find your answer.

The bottom line to this debate is that you don't need an "elite" QB to win a Super Bowl. After all, Russell Wilson hammered an "elite" QB in the last one and Wilson, though very good at managing a team and making plays, is not elite.

That is what Peyton does in big games. Check his history despite having usually the most talent around him he chokes more often than not.

you don't need elite QBs to win, the last elite QB to win a SB was Rodgers in 2010.

 

[BlueFin]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the whole "fanbase" is in agreement that Tannehill played poorly week 17, but if say that out loud it becomes a crucifixion all of a sudden.

Nonsense...we've all Said he played poorly in the final.

But regardless of garbage the troll spews on here....one game does not a season make.

Any while he deserves criticism for week 17...he also outdueled several good quarterbacks last year despite several handicaps that have been stated enough.

Just look where the Dolphins ranked in pass protect, running the ball and stopping the run......that's all the info you need to know why this was .500 team at best.

Could Tannehill have won another game or two....yes.

Could he have lost another game or two....yes.

None of that would matter in the long run...this team was not a complete football team or a contender in 2013.

The troll wants to focus on one game....the Buffalo games were irrelevent because their D-line dominated our o-line both times .

 

[BlueFin]

Out of curiosity, for the people claiming that we're hating on Tannehill, what would Russell Wilson have to do for you to consider him better than Ryan Tannehill?

Until I see them on a level playing field I will reserve judgement on who is better.....

For example....I don't believe Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Jim McMahon or several others that have rings, were better quarterbacks than Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton, Fouts or others that don't.

Too early on too unlevel a playing field to determine yet who will have the greater career.

 

[roy_miami]

Until I see them on a level playing field I will reserve judgement on who is better.....

That will never happen as the "team" excuse will always be available to anybody that is dead set in their beliefs.

 

[SSnowman]

Why do you care? Why do you care if somebody doesn't think Wilson is better than Tannehill. Wilson is on the Seahawks. Tannehill is on the Dolphins. Whether or not you like it, suck it up because he's the QB this year and probably the next.

 

[BlueFin]

That will never happen as the "team" excuse will always be available to anybody that is dead set in their beliefs.

NFL Ranks

Rushing.......Seattle #4.....Miami #26

Defense.....Seattle #1.......Miami #22

When those numbers are more even...you can better gauge who is better.

Until then you might as well argue Wilson is better than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady...since they failed to get as far as the Seahawks.

Not suggesting Wilson Isn't a good efficient quarterback....But with the running game and defense they had he wasn't' asked to carry his team as Tannehill was....

Which is why Seattle ranked #26 in passing.