They weren't as bad. They had given up less sacks. Yeah they threw less than Miami did but they still gave up less sacks. Project numbers all you want, the fact remains that Seattle had the 4th best rushing unit last year.
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They weren't as bad. They had given up less sacks. Yeah they threw less than Miami did but they still gave up less sacks. Project numbers all you want, the fact remains that Seattle had the 4th best rushing unit last year.
Put up better numbers than Tannehill while playing under similar conditions:
1. same quality of running game
2. same quality of pass protection
3. same situation where he is the focal point of the offense and the #1 thing defenses need to stop
Or, Tannehill has:
1. Top running game
2. Adequate pass protection
3. The luxury of defenses having to play the Dolphins honest
I predict a noticeable drop-off for Wilson this season. Why? Because it was happening for the last 5 or 6 games in the season leading up to the SB. I cannot emphasize enough that much of the league was wondering whether defenses had figured Wilson out because he was struggling. If he had not been carried by the defense and running game against NO, I guarantee that the discussion this offseason would be totally different. There would be serious questions about his ability to take the next step. I understand the SEAHAWKS (not Russell Wilson) won the SB but I did not see enough in the last two games to completely erase the doubt.
I admit that I am biased, just not in the way the Tannehaters think. I am biased against QBs that are not primarily pocket passers. I will stay biased against them until the league has changed enough for them to win consistently. I have been watching the league predict the shift away from pocket passers for 3 decades. Maybe Russell Wilson is finally it. Maybe not.
dig deeper. Seattle ran a lot more so that skews #s. Russell was much more efficient in far fewer pass attempts. They didn't force the pass game like Miami, they didn't abandon the run game like Miami.
Miami was 8th in pts allowed.
#s tell part of the story, you must dig deeper.
1. Lynch is better than what Miam I has but he averaged 4.2 YPC, Miami's top RB averaged 4.0 Not a huge difference.
2. Wilson was sacked at a higher rate than Ryan, OLs were similar
3. Ryan wasn't the focal point of the O, D's weren't gearing up to stop Ryan tannehill.
1. Wilson didn't have top run game last year
2. Ryan had similar pass pro as Wilson.
3. it's not Wilson's fault he has a better coaching staff. the thing is Wilson could succeed passing as much as Ryan did, he would not have failed like Ryan did.
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...In large part because of the man in question, who gained over 500yds at over 5ypc. Seattle did let up sacks at a higher rate per dropback than Miami.
Btw the Phins had the 7th ranked scoring defense in the League. 3rd in the AFC. The defense was good enough at keeping teams off the scoreboard. Tannehill's offense was 26th in points scored. The majority of that poor output falls on the QB.
Again...this is the NFL ('a quarterback's league') we're talking about here. QB is the single biggest factor in winning and losing games...and this team has barely improved in the W column from the Chad Henne era...while Wilson took over a similarly mediocre 7-win team with weaknesses on offense and won a Superbowl two years later in his second playoff trip.
They didn't just throw less, they threw ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY ONE times LESS and had similar sack #s.
Ryan sacked once every 10.1 pass attempts
Wilson once every 9.3
It's a QB league sure but Marshawn Lynch is one of the few RBs who can literally carry his team. Speaking of scoring defense, it helps that Seattle's defense has given up the least amount of points in each of Russell Wilson's first 2 seasons. They've also had the #1 ranked defense both years too. Plus they are 15-1 at home in the regular season over the two year span so that helps even more.
Russell Wilson has so many more things going for him that Tannehill does not. I've said it time and time again that Wilson has had a better career than Tannehill has, obviously, so far. But Wilson QB'ing the team with the best defense and Top 5 running game most certainly contributes to his and their success.
Looks like Wilson has a problem avoiding sacks...... Tannehater blamed Tannehill for that all season long.....
Seattle gave up less than half as many blown block sacks as Miami. A much higher % of Seattles sacks were of the coverage sack and long sack variety.
I can hear the Tannehaters screaming "GET RID OF THE BALL!!". The rules don't apply to Wilson.
You do understand why they threw less right? Excellent running game and best defense in league. The defense had 39 takeaways. They only have 1 game all year where they didn't have any. In fact they had only 3 games where they only forced 1 turnover.
Miami had to pass b/c the OL was the worst in the league. If they had a running game and defense like Seattle then Tannehill's passing attempts surely would have been much fewer.
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Tannehill has things going for him that Wilson does not, like better WRs, a true pass-catching TE, a weak division, and a pass-first offense that bumps his numbers up. Wilson isn't the only young QB in a good situation. Cam, RG3, Kaep, amd Dalton all have good rosters around them...and yet none of them put up historic efficiency numbers in their first two seasons, and none of them won a Superbowl on their second try.
Better WRs based on what? Clay had a good year in 2013 for sure but it was a breakout year. Let's see the guy consistently play that way. San Francisco to them is like New England to Miami (except that Seattle's actually been able to advance past SF). Are we going to debate Arizona/St. Louis vs. NY Jets/Buffalo? I'd take the Jets and Bills myself.
I don't know exactly what our discussion is getting at. I'm saying Russell Wilson is a good QB. His SB win has a lot to do with the running game and defense does it not?
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What I've observed is an elite QB or coach will go to a team, completely turn the team around and you'll see people try to discredit that QB or coach with the "team" excuse, it happens time and time again. Its shocking that some people still have a hard time recognizing that pattern. "I don't know how I missed it before, but that team was obviously STACKED!!!"
I guarantee if Miami would have won a SuperBowl Brandon Weeden fans would be talking about how great our defense was, or how stacked we are at WR. Most teams would appear to be stacked if Peyton Manning or Jim Harbaugh joined them. It is impossible to prove Russell Wilson isn't playing at an elite level because if he really is elite the end result would be the same. Just like its impossible to prove Ryan Tannehill was playing at anything other than a mediocre level, because if he really was mediocre the end result would be the same.
I guarantee if Miami would have won a SuperBowl Brandon Weeden fans would be talking about how great our defense was, or how stacked we are at WR. Most teams would appear to be stacked if Peyton Manning or Jim Harbaugh joined them. It is impossible to prove Russell Wilson isn't playing at an elite level because if he really is elite the end result would be the same. Just like its impossible to prove Ryan Tannehill was playing at anything other than a mediocre level, because if he really was mediocre the end result would be the same.
How was marshawn carrying the Bills? how did he do carrying Seattle pre-Wilson?
according to who? some amateur stat sites?
excellent run game w/ a 4.2 YPC? interesting.
they threw less b/c:
-they turned it over less
-they had leads and were trying to run out clock
-they didn't abandon run game
Miami didn't have to pass, they chose to pass and they got burned trusting a QB that wasn't ready for that responsibility.
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Better WRs based on their salaries, first off. Or the fact that trading Wallace-Hartline-Gibson-Mathews-Clay for Tate-Baldwin-Kearse-ZMiller would be a ridiculously stupid move. Clay made the NFL top-100 this year. A ZMiller for Clay trade would get laughed at. I'd love for you to find some non-Dolphins fans who think the AFC East is better than the NFC West. The Cards won ten games, finished third in the division last year and missed the playoffs, lol.
This whole discussion is the definition of homerism. Stats can say whatever you want them to say and they ignore much of what happens in a game. The bottom line is that the number of non-Dolphins fans who would take Tannehill over Wilson is in all likelihood VERY close to zero.
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