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4th most yards in NFL and 4th most YPC isn't a great run game? Sign me up regardless.

Junc also believes that the 2800 yards rushing the Jets had in 2009 had little effect on their success that year and that it was mostly Sanchez being great.
 
Making excuses for average play of one player on a team is the lowest of the low hanging fruit. Tannehill was playing injured week 17, that is the only excuse he gets by with for me.

So, no to the serious discussion of sacks? Okay. No problem.

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4th most yards in NFL and 4th most YPC isn't a great run game? Sign me up regardless.

Not to mention that stopping the run was the #1 priority for opposing defenses. So, yeah, their running game was pretty good.

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under Carroll Wilson will likely be sacked at a lower than average rate most seasons. It should be obvious why that should be the case.

How could the reason be obvious when the statement is false?
 
So, no to the serious discussion of sacks? Okay. No problem.



I'm not going to get into the blame game.

"Wallace sucked only because Tannehill couldn't get him the ball!!"
"Yeah well Tannehill sucked because the o-line couldn't block!!"
"Yeah well the o-line sucked because we didn't run enough!!"
"yeah well we didn't run enough because the box was always loaded!!"
"Yeah well the box was always loaded because Wallace sucked!!"

Excuse making for an individual player is akin to a dog chasing its tail.

Not that it should even be a discussion, I mean not long ago a QB taking more than a season to develop was the norm.
 
I'm not going to get into the blame game.

"Wallace sucked only because Tannehill couldn't get him the ball!!"
"Yeah well Tannehill sucked because the o-line couldn't block!!"
"Yeah well the o-line sucked because we didn't run enough!!"
"yeah well we didn't run enough because the box was always loaded!!"
"Yeah well the box was always loaded because Wallace sucked!!"

Excuse making for an individual player is akin to a dog chasing its tail.

Not that it should even be a discussion, I mean not long ago a QB taking more than a season to develop was the norm.

So, no then..... got it.

If, for you, examining the reasons for something happening in a team sport is the same as laying blame, I'd expect that every one of your complaints about the offense would be made about the whole unit and not one individual. We already know that is not the case. So, sorry, you are just making excuses.
 
So, no then..... got it.

If, for you, examining the reasons for something happening in a team sport is the same as laying blame, I'd expect that every one of your complaints about the offense would be made about the whole unit and not one individual. We already know that is not the case. So, sorry, you are just making excuses.

Nope its not. If you shoot 59 in golf you played a hell of a round and are probably a great golfer. I don't care if it was the easiest course in the country, if you have the greatest equipment, had perfect weather or whatever other reason you can concoct; shooting 59 = great golf.

And even if your buddy looks as good or better than you at everything in a vacuum that doesn't give him the right to proclaim himself a 50's golfer too, he actually has to do it.

I know you disagree but in my opinion no matter how great a team is it can't elevate a mediocre QB to a team passer rating of 100+, but great QB play can elevate a mediocre team to a team passer rating of 100+. So for me 100+ rating is proof of great QB'ing just like 10 under par is proof of great golf'ing. Outside circumstances have no bearing on those facts.
 
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When fans have to line up excuse after excuse for why their young drafted QB isn't as successful as the next, it's usually because he's simply not as good as you think he is. The marks of a truly elite quarterback prospect is that your team is given margin for error, because your quarterback is that damn good.

You don't hear Colts fans making excuses for Andrew Luck, despite them having a myriad of issues with their team (poor offensive line, average to mediocre skill position guys, bad defense). It's because Luck, despite those issues, has proven with both his tangible and intangible abilites, that he can carry a team to the post-season.

If the circumstances have to be near perfect for Tannehill to succeed, then he simply isn't as good as you think he is. Eiter that, or you have low expectations for a 1st round, no. 8 pick overall.

Enough with the excuses. Put up or shut up for Tannehill in year three. I'm hopeful he can get over the hump, but I'm certainly not as blindly as optimistic as some here (you know who you are).
 
Yeah we're still in a holding pattern with Tannehill at QB, that doesn't mean he'll be good, great or poor but it is what it is. Seattle has broken free and they don't have to worry about the QB position anymore for a decade, and its ok to be envious of that.
 
When fans have to line up excuse after excuse for why their young drafted QB isn't as successful as the next, it's usually because he's simply not as good as you think he is. The marks of a truly elite quarterback prospect is that your team is given margin for error, because your quarterback is that damn good.

You don't hear Colts fans making excuses for Andrew Luck, despite them having a myriad of issues with their team (poor offensive line, average to mediocre skill position guys, bad defense). It's because Luck, despite those issues, has proven with both his tangible and intangible abilites, that he can carry a team to the post-season.

If the circumstances have to be near perfect for Tannehill to succeed, then he simply isn't as good as you think he is. Eiter that, or you have low expectations for a 1st round, no. 8 pick overall.

Enough with the excuses. Put up or shut up for Tannehill in year three. I'm hopeful he can get over the hump, but I'm certainly not as blindly as optimistic as some here (you know who you are).

First off...there's not excuse after excuse why the QB didn't perform well...he DID. In fact, performed at or close to many top tier QBs, the team didn't. I don't know why everybody tries to make it out to be a completely individual sport with 100% of the fault on the QB. Why the hell even bother having any other players on a team if that's the case?

Secondly, Luck is a freak, beast, automatic. How many of those come out of college that ready? How often? ....waiting...............and gonna KEEP waiting, cuz it's crazy rare. Even the most fervent Tannehill supporter won't say he's better than Luck, so I don't get this argument at all. Comparing a good/solid QB to a no-brainer first-ballot HoF'er coming out of college (which is so damn rare, it isn't even worth calculating), is a bit lame.

Third, circumstances don't need to be even in the same neighborhood as "perfect." With an even AVERAGE line last year, with an associated AVERAGE running game, Miami's in the post-season no doubt. So that argument's just as weak as the last.

Lastly...LOL...he needs to put up or shut up? Or what? You're gonna fire him, cut him, remove him from the NFL? Save it...
 
Third, circumstances don't need to be even in the same neighborhood as "perfect." With an even AVERAGE line last year, with an associated AVERAGE running game, Miami's in the post-season no doubt. So that argument's just as weak as the last.
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And meaningless. Or is it ok if we just say that he did lead us to the playoffs? I guess if we all say it and stick with that story long enough maybe people will start to believe it.

*Tannehill led us to the playoffs in his second season.

*Not really
 
For the last 30 years Miami ha had one of 2 types of QB's. Either 'the natural' born to play the position greatest ever QB (Marino); or the stopgap. Neither of which is Tannehill.

We finally have a talented and developing QB and many of our fans don't know how to deal with it.

He's not the natural second coming of Marino. No matter what your statistical comparison of choice, the Marino comparison is unfair. Nobody believes that any of these young QB's are as good in their second season as Dan Marino was by his second season.

Tannehill is also not a stopgap. He's not a gimic. He's not a bust like so many of our 2nd round draft picks. He's not a journeyman like the procession of retreads that either couldn't perform or couldn't stay healthy.

Tannehill is a good QB prospect that has lacked experience. While he gets experience he has had plenty of 'welcome to the NFL' moments from JJ sWatt and the OL 58 stop tour of how to pick yourself up from a sack.

He rarely makes the same mistake repeatedly. He continues to improve.

He has had success despite an ever changing stable of targets. He gets used to Fasano and Bush ... and they're gone. He gets in synch with Keller and Gibson and they suffer season ending Injuries. Now he breaks in 5 new OL and a new Offensive Coordinator.

He is 1-1 vs Luck, 1-0 vs. Wilson, 2-0 vs. Dalton. Yet everyone wants to compare his total wins and lack of playoff success while discrediting Tannehill's success vs. Those QB's .. because it's a team game ... yet ignore that every comparison they trumpet for Luck and Wilson relies heavily on team accomplishments ... and on those metrics they deny that the team matters.

Seriously, what the ... ?
 
For the last 30 years Miami ha had one of 2 types of QB's. Either 'the natural' born to play the position greatest ever QB (Marino); or the stopgap. Neither of which is Tannehill.

We finally have a talented and developing QB and many of our fans don't know how to deal with it.

He's not the natural second coming of Marino. No matter what your statistical comparison of choice, the Marino comparison is unfair. Nobody believes that any of these young QB's are as good in their second season as Dan Marino was by his second season.

Tannehill is also not a stopgap. He's not a gimic. He's not a bust like so many of our 2nd round draft picks. He's not a journeyman like the procession of retreads that either couldn't perform or couldn't stay healthy.

Tannehill is a good QB prospect that has lacked experience. While he gets experience he has had plenty of 'welcome to the NFL' moments from JJ sWatt and the OL 58 stop tour of how to pick yourself up from a sack.

He rarely makes the same mistake repeatedly. He continues to improve.

He has had success despite an ever changing stable of targets. He gets used to Fasano and Bush ... and they're gone. He gets in synch with Keller and Gibson and they suffer season ending Injuries. Now he breaks in 5 new OL and a new Offensive Coordinator.

He is 1-1 vs Luck, 1-0 vs. Wilson, 2-0 vs. Dalton. Yet everyone wants to compare his total wins and lack of playoff success while discrediting Tannehill's success vs. Those QB's .. because it's a team game ... yet ignore that every comparison they trumpet for Luck and Wilson relies heavily on team accomplishments ... and on those metrics they deny that the team matters.

Seriously, what the ... ?

so you'd rather have the head to head records against those QBs(games your D won most of) than playoff apps?
 
Nope its not. If you shoot 59 in golf you played a hell of a round and are probably a great golfer. I don't care if it was the easiest course in the country, if you have the greatest equipment, had perfect weather or whatever other reason you can concoct; shooting 59 = great golf.

And even if your buddy looks as good or better than you at everything in a vacuum that doesn't give him the right to proclaim himself a 50's golfer too, he actually has to do it.

I know you disagree but in my opinion no matter how great a team is it can't elevate a mediocre QB to a team passer rating of 100+, but great QB play can elevate a mediocre team to a team passer rating of 100+. So for me 100+ rating is proof of great QB'ing just like 10 under par is proof of great golf'ing. Outside circumstances have no bearing on those facts.

We're on golf analogies now? :lol: What's next? Bowling?

You have a whole lot of nothing to say about a whole lot of nothing. Very interesting that you refuse to talk about what actually happened on the field last season.
 
When fans have to line up excuse after excuse for why their young drafted QB isn't as successful as the next, it's usually because he's simply not as good as you think he is. The marks of a truly elite quarterback prospect is that your team is given margin for error, because your quarterback is that damn good.

You don't hear Colts fans making excuses for Andrew Luck, despite them having a myriad of issues with their team (poor offensive line, average to mediocre skill position guys, bad defense). It's because Luck, despite those issues, has proven with both his tangible and intangible abilites, that he can carry a team to the post-season.

If the circumstances have to be near perfect for Tannehill to succeed, then he simply isn't as good as you think he is. Eiter that, or you have low expectations for a 1st round, no. 8 pick overall.

Enough with the excuses. Put up or shut up for Tannehill in year three. I'm hopeful he can get over the hump, but I'm certainly not as blindly as optimistic as some here (you know who you are).

Do you want to put up or shut up? Care to analyze the OL play? Try to cover the following:

1. Are all sacks created equal?
2. What are the primary causes of sacks?
3. Is there any way to determine the types of sacks that occurred?
4. How did Miami and Seattle compare in the types of sacks that were allowed?
 
so you'd rather have the head to head records against those QBs(games your D won most of) than playoff apps?

Pathetic...as usual...be gone troll. Have you NOT figured out yet that nobody cares what you think? Nobody comes here thinking, "oh...lemme see what the wizard has to say about quarterbacks today"? That no Dolphins fan's impression of Tannehill will be changed by your arguments, good or bad? Why would you even be here? Jets board that lame? Do you get some kind of jollies off starting/continuing arguments about somebody else's team? Yet, you expect that other team's "fans" to lick your boots?

Oh...here comes the requisite, "I can't help it you think Tannehill is your franchise QB" BS...sing it somewhere else...you don't matter.

Completely pathetic.
 
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