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Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

You have a problem with "fans" not unanimously declaring Tannhill is the best young QB in a thread discussing who everybody thinks are the best young QBs? Sorry, but if you ask for my opinion I'll give it to you. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

What is it with you and the Straw Man arguments? Can't you debate things on their merits?
 
And the big difference between the two and their situation...scheme (Seattle's is more prone to produce miss-matches with the run threat, covers the inept O line), play-calling (roll-outs, keepers, more O line coverage), and running game (countless benefits). But those aren't considerations because RT didn't play those positions...it's all him.

If he's turned loose this year and falls on his face, then ya...I can see the case for bust. Until such time, I'm a fan, and expect continued improvement and a great season of Dolphin football ahead.

IMO, I believe that Tannehill faces just as big of a challenge, if not more so, than his first two years. He has 5 new guys on the OL while putting in different blocking schemes, and a completely new O. This, along with expectations and pressure, is far from an easy task.
 
You have a problem with "fans" not unanimously declaring Tannhill is the best young QB in a thread discussing who everybody thinks are the best young QBs? Sorry, but if you ask for my opinion I'll give it to you. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

If I had to characterize my problem, generally, it would be negative people who call themselves "realists" and then try to convince everyone else why they should be negative too. Now, if I had to characterize my problem based on my previous post, it would be that people tend to take such extreme sides of an argument that they relentlessly bash Tannehill (along with FinFanfor defending him), and deny and attribution of that to a poor supporting cast, even when these things are brought up by media outlets and by our own coaches via personnel moves (5 new starters on the o line is just a coincidence I guess). "Every win is because of the defense and every loss is because of Tannehill" Although I'm sure that happens with other teams' fans as well, I mean there are probably fans calling for Rothlesburger's head after two consecutive 8-8 seasons.....


IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR POST. I never said he was the best young qb, nor would I expect anyone to declare that, I don't think he's better than Wilson OR Luck..... I think Wilson and Luck are a couple of QBs who are going to be very, very good for a long time.....guess you really do like men made of straw....
 
You have a problem with "fans" not unanimously declaring Tannhill is the best young QB in a thread discussing who everybody thinks are the best young QBs? Sorry, but if you ask for my opinion I'll give it to you. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

Well that's part of the problem. Many critics try to pass themselves off as fans, when the true definition of the word completely negates it. I can't make this stuff up..."a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal". "Fans" are often called aqua-goggles, homers, etc, on this site by those that shouldn't call themselves fans at all, but critics. Call me wrong, but that's my simple interpretation of the words.

I wouldn't say Tannehill is the best of the young guys, but 2nd, maybe 3rd at worst, and I'm a big Tannehill supporter. IMHO, that's a very fair, objective view, of his individual performance, progress, and upside to this point. But it's a team sport...and as long as the offense sucks overall (which they certainly did in 2013), he will be blamed by critics.
 
The hilarity is he calls it a debate. He begs for debate. Tannehill hasn't proven worthy of debate. He's been a mediocrity each of the past 4 seasons. Perhaps that will change and he'll become a star but that is a considerable underdog.

Russell Wilson was a great player as a redshirt freshman at North Carolina State. That was a birthright to establish himself as a great player in the pros, once all the issues like height were overcome. I watched him run rings around the Canes as a small home underdog during that freshman year, and then effortlessly toss it over their head. Everything he did then is recognizable with the Seahawks. Likewise everything Tannehill is doing now is very familiar from his term at Texas A&M.

Heck, I guarantee if we inserted Tannehill at wide receiver he would look virtually the same as he did at Texas A&M. That's the way the world operates. Adjusters are wrong much more often than not. As always, I don't mind making projections if we do it down the line. To do so in the first round is a flawed approach.

I'll continue to rely on an overview, instead of desperately nitpicking every detail. I didn't watch one play of Brock Jensen. His background combined with the fact that he wasn't drafted hinted he would be a flop, so I announced that prediction. It won't work every time but it certainly saves plenty of wasted energy. I remember when I was a kid I used to research every player the Dolphins picked up, in hopes we'd somehow uncovered a gem. Luckily I learned how to estimate percentages and to apply them.

It's always wild to see people scramble to justify poor opinions. As you've noted, Wilson has been successful everywhere, and Tannehill has been serviceable everywhere. People on this board make too many excuses for Tannehill, but I think people in general are still underrating Russell Wilson. Historic two-year totals (in terms of wins, QB efficiency, and TD's), 4-1 in the playoffs (w/ SB), and he's doing and saying all the right things. Everyone in Seattle is behind him, and no one believes in Wilson more than Wilson. For Tannehill, Miami is hoping that continued development and an improved O-line will get Tannehill where they need him.

Mike Wallace, btw, would love Russell Wilson.

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Are the long sacks because he holds the ball too long or not? You want to ignore the sacks that are his fault AND give him credit for an indeterminate number of mythical sacks that his escapability avoided. And I'm biased?????

:lol:
 
.IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR POST. I never said he was the best young qb, nor would I expect anyone to declare that, I don't think he's better than Wilson OR Luck..... I think Wilson and Luck are a couple of QBs who are going to be very, very good for a long time.....guess you really do like men made of straw....

But isn't that exactly what Yessir was saying in his post too? Is my reading comprehension off or did you rip him a new one and call him a "fan" for saying exactly what you just wrote? The wording is different but the message is the same:

Him: I hope Tannehill can be great someday (like Wilson)
You: Wilson is already great (unlike Tannehill)

The debate here is finfaninbuffalo thinks he can prove Tannehill, Wilson and even Brady are equals in so far as none of them would have done any better than 8-8 on our team in 2013. I call Bull****.
 
If I had to characterize my problem, generally, it would be negative people who call themselves "realists" and then try to convince everyone else why they should be negative too. Now, if I had to characterize my problem based on my previous post, it would be that people tend to take such extreme sides of an argument that they relentlessly bash Tannehill (along with FinFanfor defending him), and deny and attribution of that to a poor supporting cast, even when these things are brought up by media outlets and by our own coaches via personnel moves (5 new starters on the o line is just a coincidence I guess). "Every win is because of the defense and every loss is because of Tannehill" Although I'm sure that happens with other teams' fans as well, I mean there are probably fans calling for Rothlesburger's head after two consecutive 8-8 seasons.....


IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR POST. I never said he was the best young qb, nor would I expect anyone to declare that, I don't think he's better than Wilson OR Luck..... I think Wilson and Luck are a couple of QBs who are going to be very, very good for a long time.....guess you really do like men made of straw....

I don't think anyone here is saying that Tannehill has no chance for success or that he enjoyed ideal circumstances. The argument today, though, should be, 'How many tiers below Wilson is Ryan Tannehill?' Not 'How does Ryan Tannehill stack up to Russell Wilson?' To this point in time, there is nothing to suggest that Ryan Tannehill stacks up to Russell Wilson in any meaningful way.

I'm still holding out hope for Tannehill, but if he succeeds, it will be against the odds.
 
But isn't that exactly what Yessir was saying in his post too? Is my reading comprehension off or did you rip him a new one and call him a "fan" for saying exactly what you just wrote?

The debate here is finfaninbuffalo thinks he can prove Tannehill, Wilson and even Brady are equals in so far as none of them would have done any better than 8-8 on our team in 2013. I call Bull****.

Well there's no way to know, of course, but I'd lean toward saying they wouldn't have done any better, with the same play calling and scheme that Sherman laid out there. No real way to win that argument either way though, it's opinion at best.
 
But isn't that exactly what Yessir was saying in his post too? Is my reading comprehension off or did you rip him a new one and call him a "fan" for saying exactly what you just wrote?

The debate here is finfaninbuffalo thinks he can prove Tannehill, Wilson and even Brady are equals in so far as none of them would have done any better than 8-8 on our team in 2013. I call Bull****.

You can quote it all you want, and you will not find the same words in either posts.

Color me crazy but I don't feel like writing out my long amateur minded analysis of Tannehill because opinions are like....you know the saying. Everyone is just putting words in other people's posts in an attempt to forge an argument. I ripped him for what I consider weak fanhood. Either hop on board, hop off, or simply say it's not fair to come to a real conclusion about what we got yet. Don't rip someone for praising what he's done, only to take a half-a**ed stance on the topic. Just my opinion
 
I don't think anyone here is saying that Tannehill has no chance for success or that he enjoyed ideal circumstances. The argument today, though, should be, 'How many tiers below Wilson is Ryan Tannehill?' Not 'How does Ryan Tannehill stack up to Russell Wilson?' To this point in time, there is nothing to suggest that Ryan Tannehill stacks up to Russell Wilson in any meaningful way.

I'm still holding out hope for Tannehill, but if he succeeds, it will be against the odds.

Nice deflection when called on making stuff up.

And there's plenty to suggest he stacks up with Wilson in many categories, and is better in some, worse in others, objectively speaking.

If Tannehill was handcuffed and forced into statue mode by Sherman, there's no way to directly compare the two. If he wasn't and was free to roam, then I'd say Wilson's far ahead.

Judging by the amount of screens/keepers/roll-outs we called last year (1 friggin 1-step-drop pass ALL YEAR) compared to Seattle, I'd lean toward the handcuffed angle...but I doubt we'll ever know.

I'd say Miami's 2013 Offense was 2 tiers below Seattle's, and personally lay most of the blame for that on Sherman/Philbin. I wouldn't agree to the same disparity between RT / RW.
 
As you've noted, Wilson has been successful everywhere, and Tannehill has been serviceable everywhere.

He was 20-18 at NC State. WTF are you two smoking? Making a point is easy when you can just make **** up.


People on this board make too many excuses for Tannehill

As opposed to Cam Newton, for example?
 
I don't think anyone here is saying that Tannehill has no chance for success or that he enjoyed ideal circumstances. The argument today, though, should be, 'How many tiers below Wilson is Ryan Tannehill?' Not 'How does Ryan Tannehill stack up to Russell Wilson?' To this point in time, there is nothing to suggest that Ryan Tannehill stacks up to Russell Wilson in any meaningful way.

I'm still holding out hope for Tannehill, but if he succeeds, it will be against the odds.

Yea, I don't think Tannehill is as good a QB as Wilson, right now.

I mean, Wilson has had incredible success, and has looked absolutely great doing it. No real evident flaws or hiccups. Don't get me wrong, I think Wilson is the real deal, but I'm not going to sit here and say I don't think he benefits a ton from the system he's in, and the cast around him. I use that same logic when I look at Tannehill. He's nowhere near as polished, but me, personally, I really like what I see from Tanne, shi* maybe I'm a homer? I'm not psychic, or an expert analyst (even though they're only right half the time anyway).

I think a fair question or debate would be your last sentence, do you think the odds are in his favor, or against him that he succeeds as our franchise guy.
 
Weak fanhood = Not going along with the notion that your young quarterback is the second coming, despite the results telling me otherwise.

Got it.
 
Weak fanhood = Not going along with the notion that your young quarterback is the second coming, despite the results telling me otherwise.

Got it.

And more grandstanding, as expected from critics. Please show me where anybody said he's the second coming.

Does positivity and optimism hurt your eyes?
 
I don't think anyone here is saying that Tannehill has no chance for success or that he enjoyed ideal circumstances. The argument today, though, should be, 'How many tiers below Wilson is Ryan Tannehill?' Not 'How does Ryan Tannehill stack up to Russell Wilson?' To this point in time, there is nothing to suggest that Ryan Tannehill stacks up to Russell Wilson in any meaningful way.

I'm still holding out hope for Tannehill, but if he succeeds, it will be against the odds.

As long as you get to decide what is meaningful. Tannehill has thrown for more yards in both seasons. And before you raise some BS exception to passing yards being meaningful. It is the first stat shown on NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/stats/player?seasonType=REG

Tannehill was also ranked higher by PFF.

As long as you keep taking extreme positions, I'll keep shooting them down.
 
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