Tua is not that kind of QB. If that is what you are basing your argument on then you need to at least watch some Tua tape. Tua is a QB who throws the ball or hands it off, he's not going to make many plays with his legs, other than stepping up in the pocket to avoid the rush. If your point is he's short (for a QB) so therefore he must run about a lot, then I don't know what to say.
Correct. That's why the Steve Young comparison has never been perfect. Tua is smooth like Young and throws a very catchable drop in the bucket ball like Young. Patience and instincts in the pocket area are similar. However, Tua is not nearly as wiry or anywhere near the running threat beyond the line of scrimmage. That was true pre-injury so you'd have to expect even greater variance now.
Tua fits this era perfectly, as long as he can remain healthy. He'll buy just enough time to extend the play and then he can make every type of throw within the evolving play.
The criticisms of Tua Tagovailoa are just not smart. Those fans may get away with it. There are odds associated with everything. But it is exponentially more a case of being tired of the praise toward the player and jealous naysayer of the program he is associated with, than any legitimate knocks on his game and how it translates to the NFL.
This is a Justin Herbert thread. He took off in the Rose Bowl but that's really not his game. As j-off-her-doll mentioned recently, Herbert is more of a sameness low arc type than Tua or Jordan Love who can throw the spectrum when required. Love used to annoy me in the red zone by not varying pace enough. There's still probably some of that. That team wasn't in the red zone as frequently this season so the weakness wasn't as prominent. Tua always has the relaxation and touch no matter where he is on the field.
The question with Justin Herbert is how many plays will unfold ideally once he is in a more traditional offense instead of the 90 degree offense. He's dropping straight back and looking downfield. Will he be confident and assertive enough? Accurate enough when it counts instead of so many strange balls into the dirt? Can he vary his repertoire enough to enlarge those windows?
There are always variances between college and pro. It has always amazed me. It's one of the reasons so many of the projections fail, no matter how logical. Guys will get into an NFL camp and look different physically and stylistically. I've given up trying to figure out if it is coaching or maturity or what percentage of each.
Regarding the old time quarterbacks who would have benefitted immensely by the new NFL, I thought immediately of Bob Griese, Jim Zorn and Roger Staubach. Those were all incredibly smart crafty players who used mobility to advantage. Just imagine them weaving around today then stopping just behind the line of scrimmage. Slimm mentioned that this forum knocks every quarterback prospect. This site also has a laughably low appraisal of Bob Griese. Some of it is fans who came of age during the Marino years and refuse to believe Griese was anything but an ordinary quarterback who took advantage of the caliber of his team. Some of it is dislike of Griese as preseason broadcaster and therefore assuming he wasn't special at any point of his life. Meanwhile Don Shula probably never joins the Dolphins without Bob Griese already on the roster. Everyone knew what an incredible building block that was. Griese came a heck of a lot closer to winning the Heisman Trophy than Marino ever did. The consensus during late '60s/early '70s was that Griese could have shaped his game into Fran Tarkenton mode but he realized that wasn't best for himself or the team, especially with Csonka already on the roster and then Shula implementing the power running game as the Dolphins' core.
