Report: Dolphins players may have harassed team staffer

[Spesh]

You do not even know the specifics. Let the facts come out.

Irrelevant. Your moving the goalposts.

Your not allowed to discriminate against people in a workplace, even if some of your employees dont mind. Period. Discrimination laws dont suddenly flip depending on the mood of individuals, the time of day, or how the planets are aligned.

Did get a chuckle at your post though. How comes the specifics are suddenly so vastly important whenever it comes to defending Incognito but they are irrelevant when it comes to...well, anything else in this case? Rhetorical question, dont answer.

 

[Phindog]

If there's any good about Cogs leaving the team it's the exposing of a P***Y thief LT.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Irrelevant. Your moving the goalposts.

Your not allowed to discriminate against people in a workplace, even if some of your employees dont mind. Period. Discrimination laws dont suddenly flip depending on the mood of individuals, the time of day, or where the planets are aligned.

Did get a chuckle at your post though. How comes the specifics are suddenly so vastly important whenever it comes to defending Incognito but they are irrelevant when it comes to...well, anything else in this case? Rhetorical question, dont answer.

I do not think this is discrimination. How is this discrimination? It might be out of bounds behavior or unwanted jokes. How is this guy being discriminated against?

Anyways, we are not going to agree on this. If you want to make the NFL locker room and field the same as corporate America...go ahead.

 

[Finland]

Nope. I am actually very familiar with the rules of the workplace. Offensive jokes become an issue when the joke or comment offends someone. If NOBODY is saying that the joking is offensive, then what is the issue?

It becomes your workplace environment and when new people arrive, as they do all the time, they are subjected to undesirable (and illegal) workplace situations. The fact that it happens on other teams is not important. That is about to change.

 

[Spesh]

I do not think this is discrimination. How is this discrimination? It might be out of bounds behavior or unwanted jokes. How is this guy being discriminated against?

Anyways, we are not going to agree on this. If you want to make the NFL locker room and field the same as corporate America...go ahead.

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According to one of the sources, Incognito would sometimes dress in garb from the staff member’s culture and then make profane jokes about that culture.

According to Finheaven, thats not discrimination. Right.

And your right, we arent going to agree. You seem to think anything is legal so long as your not caught. I absolutely, 100%, dispute that. If you rob a bank and get away, you didnt just "inherit" a bunch of money, the police will still have some questions for you.

 

[Hayden Fox]

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:



According to Finheaven, thats not discrimination. Right.

And your right, we arent going to agree. You seem to think anything is legal so long as your not caught. I absolutely, 100%, dispute that. If you rob a bank and get away, you didnt just "inherit" a bunch of money, the police will still have some questions for you.

It is discrimination when the guy is not able to come to work or not allowed based on who he/she is. It is a workplace violation WHEN the person states the jokes are offensive. THEN it must stop. If it does not or the owner of the business nothing to stop it, then it is an issue.

I am not sure that was done yet. You can make me look like a caveman on this. I am just explaining the basics of the law/rules. If people were offended by Incognito and never said anything and played along... returned the jokes, then it is not harassment, let alone discrimination. It is not.

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Your bank robbing analogy makes no sense btw.

 

[Finland]

I do not think this is discrimination. How is this discrimination? It might be out of bounds behavior or unwanted jokes. How is this guy being discriminated against?

Anyways, we are not going to agree on this. If you want to make the NFL locker room and field the same as corporate America...go ahead.

Do you think racial jokes in the locker room are good for team dynamics?

 

[Kencoboy]

Isn't this the way The Waterboy started?? Maybe the staffer is a potential starter on the OL??

 

[PerfectFinz72]

Do you think racial jokes in the locker room are good for team dynamics?

I've never been in an NFL lockerroom but I'd be willing to bet this is more common than some think. Can we please stop acting like this has ONLY ever in the HISTORY of the world happened in the Dolphins lockerroom?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Do you think racial jokes in the locker room are good for team dynamics?

To be fair, I don't think that's really relevant. Huge difference between off-color jokes and openly mocking someone who is uncomfortable with it. Richie is flat out in the wrong here, but we're certainly not talking about telling dirty / racist jokes.

I've heard plenty of ugly jokes about my ethnic background that I actually found extremely funny. I imagine a lot of people feel the same way. I imagine a lot of football players in particular, who are typically guys with very thick skin, share my sentiment.

 

[Spesh]

It is discrimination when the guy is not able to come to work or not allowed based on who he/she is. It is a workplace violation WHEN the person states the jokes are offensive. THEN it must stop. If it does not or the owner of the business nothing to stop it, then it is an issue.

I am not sure that was done yet. You can make me look like a caveman on this. I am just explaining the basics of the law/rules. If people were offended by Incognito and never said anything and played along... returned the jokes, then it is not harassment, let alone discrimination. It is not.

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Your bank robbing analogy makes no sense btw.

Just wrong. I mean, this is basic definitions.

Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated." It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.

Discriminatory traditions, policies, ideas, practices, and laws exist in many countries and institutions in every part of the world, even in ones where discrimination is generally looked down upon. In some places, controversial attempts such as quotas or affirmative action have been used to benefit those believed to be current or past victims of discrimination—but have sometimes been called reverse discrimination themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

Its always a workplace violation(by the way, laws are one of the reasons why those policies are put in place). Again: laws dont suddenly change. If a crime is unreported its still a crime. Two wrongs dont make a right, just because the target of discriminatory behavior joins in on the practice doesnt make the behavior less discriminatory.

 

[Dolfan23]

Not necessarily. IF nobody is objecting to the jokes it is not illegal.

What the heck? It's not 'illegal' but I guarantee you it's against company policy and grounds for immediate termination in most companies. It doesn't matter if nobody is objecting it's still not acceptable behavior in any company I've ever heard of. I work for a company worth over 100 billion and a couple of years back my former boss was terminated because for years he made jokes about all sorts of things from ethnicities, sexual preference, politics, religion, etc. and nobody ever complained about it. Then one day an Indian girl in our group was let go because of performance but at her exit interview she told them about all of his inappropriate jokes. Everyone in the department were interviewed and we all said that we didn't have a problem with his jokes but they still fired him as it violated the code of conduct and she got a nice big payday from it. Bottom line it doesn't matter if people are objecting or not, there are rules for how professionals are supposed to act in the workplace and if you don't obey then you can pay the consequences.

Now me personally, I think football is a different beast, at least among the players and the culture is different and there are different expectations. I think what Martin is doing is flat out wrong, at least from the facts that we've been told. But if a staffer was genuinely harassed by players then that's not acceptable.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

What the heck? It's not 'illegal' but I guarantee you it's against company policy and grounds for immediate termination in most companies. It doesn't matter if nobody is objecting it's still not acceptable behavior in any company I've ever heard of. I work for a company worth over 100 billion and a couple of years back my former boss was terminated because for years he made jokes about all sorts of things from ethnicities, sexual preference, politics, religion, etc. and nobody ever complained about it. Then one day an Indian girl in our group was let go because of performance but at her exit interview she told them about all of his inappropriate jokes. Everyone in the department were interviewed and we all said that we didn't have a problem with his jokes but they still fired him as it violated the code of conduct and she got a nice big payday from it. Bottom line it doesn't matter if people are objecting or not, there are rules for how professionals are supposed to act in the workplace and if you don't obey then you can pay the consequences.

Now me personally, I think football is a different beast, at least among the players and the culture is different and there are different expectations. I think what Martin is doing is flat out wrong, at least from the facts that we've been told. But if a staffer was genuinely harassed by players then that's not acceptable.

Firing someone outright without a warning is pretty rare. I'd be willing to bet that your former boss was warned, possibly more than once, to shut his yapper. Or there were other reasons for a quick dismissal.

Guys with clean records and good performance evaluations who say some bad words don't get straight up axed, unless they say those words to a superior who has a major beef with them.

 

[JayCee]

Richie , Richie, Richie ! All hail Richie ! Free America! Richie, Richie, Richie, Richie!

At the end of the day, this will be my ONE and ONLY good memory of Ritchie as a Dolphin. Both him and Martin are indefensible douche bags for reasons on different sides of the morality spectrum.

 

[Austin Tatious]

Not that it matters, but I wonder what nationality the victim is, since Cole talks about wearing garb?

Regardless, Incognito is a clueless moron who has a screw loose. Like needs therapy for real. I don't think most of us knew what an idiot this guy truly is. He doesn't have anything better to do than walk around and make fun of people all day, as a freaking adult? Most adults have more on their mind than just finding ways to make other people feel bad, which is all Richie seems to do.

That's not to defend Martin. This isn't either/or. They are both grade A scumbags.