Report: Philbin almost quit over Sherman situation

[phins_4_ever]

I am serious and it is one of many links out there covering Aponte the browns office and what went down. Your a big boy so you can go research my post from 2010 and you will see I was against hiring her and have been against her, just as I was against Parcells, Ireland, Sparano, etc. As for you comment that's her job, well actually no it wasn't she over stepped her bounds and Holmgrem showed her the door, mean while Cribbs got his new deal.

Doesn't matter though to the norm you will believe what you want. You will type up some long winded reply that is nothing more then hot air, smoke and mirrors. Then you will stick your fingers in your ears and scream I can't hear you at the top of your lungs.

Oh that is so typical. I say you did not. You say you did. I ask you to prove that you did and you tell me to research something I say you did not. No. The burden of proof lies with you.

OK. I researched. Didn't find anything. Now, prove to me you did.

 

[flynryan15]

I don't doubt Joe did really havt to fire Sherman but in the end finally realized what needed to ne done. I also have an issue with the article because his source is Armondo. Who in the entire debacle has been Ireland's mouthpiece and proven to be wrong many times in the past week on what he has written.

Not gonna lie I went and looked and on a quick search I didn't find anything besides the Cribbs issue. An issue which as shown she was correct and not Holmgren in the contract that should have been offered.

$20 million over three years for a wr that had 60+ catches and only 4td's in six years, not smart. Especially when you look at his #'s after the contract. 3 return td's with another 60 catches/4 td's over 2 years before being released before the third and final year of the contract is a pathic ROI.

Shocking you would have disagreed with me on this hell I bet you were one of the ones disagreeing in 2010 when I criticized hiring her. What most of you guys don't get was during this time Cribbs was not only the Browns bright spot he was a local hero from Kent State etc.... Also at that time Cribbs had double the career kick return yard Hester did whose contract set the bar, Cribbs flipped the field countless times for the Browns and some games was the Browns only real scoring threat. Remember him breaking our back? Now as far as that ridiculous $20 mil number you threw oucdefending Aponte you couldn't be more wrong! Cribbs signed a 3 yr extension worth $15,496,000 with $400,000 carry over from previous contract.

Now let's break it down shall we? In 2010 his base salary was $688,000, prorated signing bonus $1,500,00, workout bonus $100,000, bonuses likely to be earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 bonuses unlikely to be earned. In 2011 his base was $832,00, prorated signing bonus of $1,100,000, workout bonus of $100,000, likely bonuses earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 unlikely to be earned with escalators of $2,350,000. In 2012base salary $925,000, prorated signing bonus $1,100,000,workout bonus $100,000, and $2,350,000 in escalators.

Now Cribbs actually earned $2,538,500 in 2010, $2,407,000 in 2011, and $2,688,000 in 2012. That is a little bit different from the ridiculous number you threw out claiming Holmgrem signed him to a poison deal and claiming Aponte was right! Matter of fact Holmgrem negotiated a very good contract given Cribbs had just been named all pro he was light years ahead of other kick returners in yards, and was being used as a kick returner, punt returner, wr, qb and rb while running the wildcat. So the reality is Cribbs made 7 mil and change for his extension he suffered a knee injury his first year that I believe required surgery, and it was rumored was not used in the final year to keep from paying out escalators.

All contract figures were taken from sporttrac.

Adding to it comparing Cribbs to Hester which were the AFC/NFC All Pro players and multi use after the 2009 season through 2012.

Hester had 1606 punt return yards, 7 punt return TDs, 2297 kick return yards, 4 kick return TDs, 1721 receiving yards, 8 receiving TDs, 32 rushing yards and 0 TDs.

Cribbs had 1126 punt return yards, 2 punt return TDs, 5955 kick return yards, 7 kick return TDs, 620 rushing yards, 2 rush TDs, 281 receiving yards, 2 receiving TDs.

Hester was playing on a playoff contender and a Super Bowl team in that time frame while Cribbs was playing for the leagues trash. Also Hester made significantly more then Cribbs over those 3 years.

 

[AL R]

Shocking you would have disagreed with me on this hell I bet you were one of the ones disagreeing in 2010 when I criticized hiring her. What most of you guys don't get was during this time Cribbs was not only the Browns bright spot he was a local hero from Kent State etc.... Also at that time Cribbs had double the career kick return yard Hester did whose contract set the bar, Cribbs flipped the field countless times for the Browns and some games was the Browns only real scoring threat. Remember him breaking our back? Now as far as that ridiculous $20 mil number you threw oucdefending Aponte you couldn't be more wrong! Cribbs signed a 3 yr extension worth $15,496,000 with $400,000 carry over from previous contract.

Now let's break it down shall we? In 2010 his base salary was $688,000, prorated signing bonus $1,500,00, workout bonus $100,000, bonuses likely to be earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 bonuses unlikely to be earned. In 2011 his base was $832,00, prorated signing bonus of $1,100,000, workout bonus of $100,000, likely bonuses earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 unlikely to be earned with escalators of $2,350,000. In 2012base salary $925,000, prorated signing bonus $1,100,000,workout bonus $100,000, and $2,350,000 in escalators.

Now Cribbs actually earned $2,538,500 in 2010, $2,407,000 in 2011, and $2,688,000 in 2012. That is a little bit different from the ridiculous number you threw out claiming Holmgrem signed him to a poison deal and claiming Aponte was right! Matter of fact Holmgrem negotiated a very good contract given Cribbs had just been named all pro he was light years ahead of other kick returners in yards, and was being used as a kick returner, punt returner, wr, qb and rb while running the wildcat. So the reality is Cribbs made 7 mil and change for his extension he suffered a knee injury his first year that I believe required surgery, and it was rumored was not used in the final year to keep from paying out escalators.

All contract figures were taken from sporttrac.

I get you dont like the way Cribbs contract was handled. The biggest fear that was mentioned after Ireland left was that she would be the new GM and it was a power play. It does not appear that will happen. The next fear was that the new GM would report to her and be a yes man. The owners statement says that will not be so. I need to see a little more before I jump on her hate bandwagon. You may be correct in the end but I cant base it all on what happened in the past with Cleveland.

 

[flynryan15]

Oh that is so typical. I say you did not. You say you did. I ask you to prove that you did and you tell me to research something I say you did not. No. The burden of proof lies with you.

OK. I researched. Didn't find anything. Now, prove to me you did.

Are you 5? Here you go I said I did now go find it and prove me wrong!

 

[flynryan15]

I get you dont like the way Cribbs contract was handled. The biggest fear that was mentioned after Ireland left was that she would be the new GM and it was a power play. It does not appear that will happen. The next fear was that the new GM would report to her and be a yes man. The owners statement says that will not be so. I need to see a little more before I jump on her hate bandwagon. You may be correct in the end but I cant base it all on what happened in the past with Cleveland.

No I said the Cribbs deal was the most public of what Aponte was doing in Cleveland. What she did there is what she did here played Mangini against the GM and divided the front office, then once the gm was fired she got aggressive trying to seize power and fill a void. It was her behavior and ethics during the Cribbs contract that made Holmgrem show her the door. Holmgrem had just taken over as Czar and was on record saying Cribbs should be rewarded, Aponte took her typical hard line stance and said Holgrem was on board with the final offer and he wasn't. Frankly how Cribbs was handled I couldn't have cared less I lived in Cleveland at the time and had fun busting my Browns fans balls while they were miserable. I started up carrying when she showed up in our front office.

 

[andyahs]

Again a thread has turned its attention to Aponte when this story had nothing to do with her. She gets way too much hate for stuff she doesn't even do of is even responsible for.

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[mnphinfan]

Shocking you would have disagreed with me on this hell I bet you were one of the ones disagreeing in 2010 when I criticized hiring her. What most of you guys don't get was during this time Cribbs was not only the Browns bright spot he was a local hero from Kent State etc.... Also at that time Cribbs had double the career kick return yard Hester did whose contract set the bar, Cribbs flipped the field countless times for the Browns and some games was the Browns only real scoring threat. Remember him breaking our back? Now as far as that ridiculous $20 mil number you threw oucdefending Aponte you couldn't be more wrong! Cribbs signed a 3 yr extension worth $15,496,000 with $400,000 carry over from previous contract.

Now let's break it down shall we? In 2010 his base salary was $688,000, prorated signing bonus $1,500,00, workout bonus $100,000, bonuses likely to be earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 bonuses unlikely to be earned. In 2011 his base was $832,00, prorated signing bonus of $1,100,000, workout bonus of $100,000, likely bonuses earned of $250,000 and $2,100,000 unlikely to be earned with escalators of $2,350,000. In 2012base salary $925,000, prorated signing bonus $1,100,000,workout bonus $100,000, and $2,350,000 in escalators.

Now Cribbs actually earned $2,538,500 in 2010, $2,407,000 in 2011, and $2,688,000 in 2012. That is a little bit different from the ridiculous number you threw out claiming Holmgrem signed him to a poison deal and claiming Aponte was right! Matter of fact Holmgrem negotiated a very good contract given Cribbs had just been named all pro he was light years ahead of other kick returners in yards, and was being used as a kick returner, punt returner, wr, qb and rb while running the wildcat. So the reality is Cribbs made 7 mil and change for his extension he suffered a knee injury his first year that I believe required surgery, and it was rumored was not used in the final year to keep from paying out escalators.

All contract figures were taken from sporttrac.

I've defended her because there is a ton of **** being talked about her and basically none if it is true. She's great at what she does, not bending over to agents demands. Which may I remind you is her job #1. I could care less if she hurts peoples feelings. We have seen in the last year with the free agents that the team has brought in that even though she is a shrewd negotiator they will still come.

I really don't remember if I had an opinion on her in 2010. IIRC correctly I didnt like it but after doing some research for myself my opinion has definitely changed. As far as Cobbs goes he was a great returner and little else. Sure he filpped the field position but did that really account for a ton of wins. That may not be entirely his fault though as the roster was horse ****.

Thanks for posting the correct #'s. He didn't live up to those either. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is pay a playyer for sentimental reasons.

Still waiting for more information about the problems she caused in Cleveland besides the Cribbs ordeal. I don't doubt living in Cleveland you heard a ton of **** from fans but I'd like to see some actual reporting on it.

 

[phintim]

If Ross I'were looking at the same team last year then he has made the right moves so far. Fact Sherman did not make enough half time adjustments, Ireland has been like a magnet for public controversy during his tenure in Miami from Dez Bryant, cussing out a fan to the Martin Incog scenario he had been the eye of the storm. We were the top players in FA last year and Dawn Aponte is in charge if of that. The team was able to win a few games in middle of the Incog and Martin issue credit Philbin for that. So Ross kept the right keepers and removed the dead wieght.

 

[nyfinzfan]

I wish he wouldve quit. Hes in over his head.

 

[JBinSD]

Ah yes, bleacherreport where all the finest of writers are. Touché.

In other news, Olivier Vernon has no business or future as a pass rusher.

 

[flynryan15]

I've defended her because there is a ton of **** being talked about her and basically none if it is true. She's great at what she does, not bending over to agents demands. Which may I remind you is her job #1. I could care less if she hurts peoples feelings. We have seen in the last year with the free agents that the team has brought in that even though she is a shrewd negotiator they will still come.

I really don't remember if I had an opinion on her in 2010. IIRC correctly I didnt like it but after doing some research for myself my opinion has definitely changed. As far as Cobbs goes he was a great returner and little else. Sure he filpped the field position but did that really account for a ton of wins. That may not be entirely his fault though as the roster was horse ****.

Thanks for posting the correct #'s. He didn't live up to those either. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is pay a playyer for sentimental reasons.

Still waiting for more information about the problems she caused in Cleveland besides the Cribbs ordeal. I don't doubt living in Cleveland you heard a ton of **** from fans but I'd like to see some actual reporting on it.

Search waitingfornextyear.com there is a lot of info on there. When I get to computer I will look more to hard from phone.

 

[mnphinfan]

Search waitingfornextyear.com there is a lot of info on there. When I get to computer I will look more to hard from phone.

Thanks will do.

I checked on their as well (only have cell/left laptop at the office) I didn't see much else there from Cleveland. Let me know what you find on a pc.

 

[sixzero]

This makes perfect sense. Since Sherman was JP mentor, he wouldn't have allowed his protege to lose his job and the job of the rest of the assistants. I wouldn't doubt if QB coach is still employed.

 

[AphexPhin]

lmao. I highly doubt it (in regards to Philbin almost quitting). You only get so many chances to be an NFL head coach.

 

[flynryan15]

Thanks will do.

I checked on their as well (only have cell/left laptop at the office) I didn't see much else there from Cleveland. Let me know what you find on a pc.

Mary Kay Kabot is a pretty respected reporter up there I know she covered it so did Tony Grossi. As far as worth it well that's debatable one can argue Cleveland ran him into the ground, $2 mil and change a year for the touches Cribbs had and the versatility is a bargain. No way he is compared to Cobbs that not even close! Not to mention Cleveland always listed him as the 3rd qb opening up a roster spot. Considering Hester was getting 6 mil a year and when Cribbs was extended they were the best 2 multi use players in the game.