Monk
Pro bowls are hardly a gauge of how good a player is. We all know how much BS is involved, it's more of a popularity contest. BTW/ Riggo only went to ONE Pro Bowl, should he not be in the hall?
That's because Gibbs Redskins were a running team in the redzone. Year in a year out we led the league in rushing TD's. Why throw when you can pound it in with Riggins, George Rogers, and Gerald Riggs? Monk was also a great blocker and was used in that capacity a lot.
Look at the Redskins RB TD totals year by year:
1983: Riggins had 24 TD's. Reggie Evans 4, and Nick Giaquinto 1. That's a total of 29. For comparison, the Dolphins in 1983 only scored 14 TD's on the ground and the 1983 Seahawks with Largent who scored 11 times, only scored 16 rushing TD's.
1984: Riggins had 14, Otis Wonsley 4, and Joe Washington 1. That's 19. The Seahawks had only 7 rushing TD's that year, Largent scored 12 times.
1985: Riggins 8, George Rogers 7, and Keith Griffin 3. That's 18. The Seahawks only had 8 scores on the ground that year.
1986: George Rogers scored 18 rushing TD's and Kelvin Bryant 4. That's 22. In that same year the Niners scored only 14 times on the ground and Rice had 15 TD catches. The Seahawks had 14 total on the ground too, and Largent caught 9.
That's all the #'s I'm gonna go through now, but I think my point is beyond clear. Gibbs was a run first guy in the redzone, and for good reason. Don't penalize Monk bc/ he was surrounded by excellent backs who could pound it in.
And? It takes 10 yards to get a first down. That's what he was, a first down machine. He was unstoppable at what he did. On 3rd and 8 the D knew the ball was going Monk's way, but there was nothing they could do. I'd give my left nut to have a guy like him on the Redskins now, you can have the speedsters like Coles who fail to hold on to the ball going across the middle on 3rd down.
BTW/ Cris Carter averaged 12.6 per catch, should he not be in the HOF?
Bottom line, Monk set records for catches in season, career catches (BTW/ every guy who has ever held this record is in the HOF), and consecutive games with a catch (consistency counts for something, right?)
Let me offer you some quotes:
http://www.thehogs.net/History/ArtMonk/
And from Redskins.com: From Gibbs...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5759
There's some more stuff I'll post if I can find it, basically showing how much of a leader he was. Monk meant more to the Redskins then numbers can show.
I always agreed w/ that until recently I had a debate about Steev Largent compared to Art Monk and looking up Monk's #s he was a compiler not a great WR.
-Monk was only a 3 time Pro Bowler
-Monk led the league in recs once, was top 3 3 times, top 10 a 4th time
-Monk was top 10 in rec yards just 3 times
-Monk was top 10 in rec TDs ONCE(tied for 9th in '91)
-monk's YPC was 13.5
-Monk had 68 TDs in 16 seasons
When undeserving players like Lynn Swann are in then I think Art belongs but the Hall should be reserved for the greatest of all-time and I don't think Art belongs in that group.
Pro bowls are hardly a gauge of how good a player is. We all know how much BS is involved, it's more of a popularity contest. BTW/ Riggo only went to ONE Pro Bowl, should he not be in the hall?
Yeah, and that time that he led the league in catches he caught 106, the first guy ever to catch 100 or more in a season, he broke a 20+ year record and his number stood for 10 years before Rice broke it with 112. 106 catches in 1984 is like 150 today.-Monk led the league in recs once, was top 3 3 times, top 10 a 4th time
-Monk was top 10 in rec TDs ONCE(tied for 9th in '91)
That's because Gibbs Redskins were a running team in the redzone. Year in a year out we led the league in rushing TD's. Why throw when you can pound it in with Riggins, George Rogers, and Gerald Riggs? Monk was also a great blocker and was used in that capacity a lot.
Look at the Redskins RB TD totals year by year:
1983: Riggins had 24 TD's. Reggie Evans 4, and Nick Giaquinto 1. That's a total of 29. For comparison, the Dolphins in 1983 only scored 14 TD's on the ground and the 1983 Seahawks with Largent who scored 11 times, only scored 16 rushing TD's.
1984: Riggins had 14, Otis Wonsley 4, and Joe Washington 1. That's 19. The Seahawks had only 7 rushing TD's that year, Largent scored 12 times.
1985: Riggins 8, George Rogers 7, and Keith Griffin 3. That's 18. The Seahawks only had 8 scores on the ground that year.
1986: George Rogers scored 18 rushing TD's and Kelvin Bryant 4. That's 22. In that same year the Niners scored only 14 times on the ground and Rice had 15 TD catches. The Seahawks had 14 total on the ground too, and Largent caught 9.
That's all the #'s I'm gonna go through now, but I think my point is beyond clear. Gibbs was a run first guy in the redzone, and for good reason. Don't penalize Monk bc/ he was surrounded by excellent backs who could pound it in.
-monk's YPC was 13.5
And? It takes 10 yards to get a first down. That's what he was, a first down machine. He was unstoppable at what he did. On 3rd and 8 the D knew the ball was going Monk's way, but there was nothing they could do. I'd give my left nut to have a guy like him on the Redskins now, you can have the speedsters like Coles who fail to hold on to the ball going across the middle on 3rd down.
BTW/ Cris Carter averaged 12.6 per catch, should he not be in the HOF?
Bottom line, Monk set records for catches in season, career catches (BTW/ every guy who has ever held this record is in the HOF), and consecutive games with a catch (consistency counts for something, right?)
Let me offer you some quotes:
http://www.thehogs.net/History/ArtMonk/
Joe Gibbs, HOF inductee
"He was big, he was strong, and he was intelligent. He had everything."
"I can't see how a receiver could be more valuable to a team."
Charlie Casserly
"There was never a classier player in this franchise's history, or in league history, than Art Monk. You always knew the team would be getting Art Monk's best effort day in and day out."
Bill Parcells, 1995
"Monk is headed to Canton downhill on roller skates"
Joe Theismann
"Art was Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice was."
Ronnie Lott, HOF inductee
"Art Monk was an example for Jerry Rice. That's what Jerry always told me."
"There's nothing negative to say. He has the numbers, the catches, the championships."
"You have a Hall of Fame for all it represents. I know he represents all that it's about. Integrity, love and passion for the game, community, what he gave back. Look how he conducted himself. Nobody I know deserves it more."
Thomas Loverro, Washington Times
"He embodied the old school, and for that alone he should be enshrined so that when a father takes his son through the Hall of Fame, he can say, "Son, here is a man who once caught 106 passes in a season when no one was catching 100 passes. Here was a man who caught a pass in 183 straight games. And not once did he ever pull a cell phone out to make a call after any of those catches."
Bill Polian, President Indianapolis Colts
"I believe he's a Hall of Famer. I was a pro scout when he was playing, so it was my job to know who those guys were. I would put Art in that category, but apparently there are a lot of Hall of Fame voters who don't feel Art Monk was in that category. It's hard for me to believe they ever saw him play."
And from Redskins.com: From Gibbs...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5759
"What has hurt Art--and I believe should actually boost his credentials--is that we asked him to block a lot," Gibbs said. "He was the inside portion of pass protection and we put him in instead of a big tight end or running back. He was a very tough, physical, big guy."
"Because Art was an inside receiver, he caught a lot of balls inside," head coach Joe Gibbs said. "So almost everything he caught was inside, where he would take some hard hits. I think that should go to his credit, but what some [Hall of Fame voters] do is downplay it because his average-per-catch wasn't as high."
There's some more stuff I'll post if I can find it, basically showing how much of a leader he was. Monk meant more to the Redskins then numbers can show.