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Rumor: Philbin wanted to trade for Albert. Ireland said no

Dude you don't really have a clue do you? ... Once more, I never said overrule ... this will be that last time I address that terminology with you, since it doesn't seem to filter.

Also; Google is your friend, google what you're going off about, you'll find it. Since I've done my home work, know who and where and when, but I refuse to do yours.

Hint ... football, hockey, basketball and baseball. Oh, yeah even NASCAR. I'm sure there are plenty others. People who stuck to their guns and got the guys they wanted. Imagine that, people fighting for what they believe. Crazy isn't

We are talking nfl here not redneck circle races. Lots of ranting, no names. You claim this happens all the time in the nfl when the gm refuses to make a trade and it gets done.... who.

If ireland did not want to do the trade philbin could not make him. That is a fact not opinion. Im done, for all your blustering your not going to provide names.
 
No ... if he couldn't cut him, why did he play him? He didn't have to. I see it as damage control.

For one thing who would he play in his place? If we cut him it would have to under the condition we get a viable replacement. And as far as damage control goes you don't think questions will be asked as to why our $5 million guard is sitting on the bench? If we don't cut him then we have to play him, Philbin's hands were tied.
 
For one thing who would he play in his place? If we cut him it would have to under the condition we get a viable replacement. And as far as damage control goes you don't think questions will be asked as to why our $5 million guard is sitting on the bench? If we don't cut him then we have to play him, Philbin's hands were tied.

Man ... I swear. I really do like you guys. Everyone in here really. But I just don't see where too many people have had to make tough choices based on principle.

All I see are people accepting circumstances as out of their control without having the courage to act.

I would have played the ball boy over his ass if I didn't want him on the team. Let Ireland or Ross or Aponte or whoever fire me. No way I bend over and let someone else decide my fate.

Damn guys.
 
Man ... I swear. I really do like you guys. Everyone in here really. But I just don't see where too many people have had to make tough choices based on principle.

All I see are people accepting circumstances as out of their control without having the courage to act.

I would have played the ball boy over his ass if I didn't want him on the team. Let Ireland or Ross or Aponte or whoever fire me. No way I bend over and let someone else decide my fate.

Damn guys.

So you demand FINAL SAY going in, many coaches do just that to avoid exactly what went down in Miami. But Jeff Ireland was not relinquishing FINAL SAY which is why Jeff Fisher basically told us to take a hike. We were at the bottom of the barrel for head coaching choices and one of those bottom feeders was smart enough to not attach himself to Ireland. And I really believe Philbin would have quit if he was forced to work with Ireland for another season so maybe you guys have more in common than you know.
 
We are talking nfl here not redneck circle races. Lots of ranting, no names. You claim this happens all the time in the nfl when the gm refuses to make a trade and it gets done.... who.

If ireland did not want to do the trade philbin could not make him. That is a fact not opinion. Im done, for all your blustering your not going to provide names.

LOL Weak.

That is a report. Show me the email or the recording showing Ireland refusing the trade. Where is it? Show me? Silly isn't it.

And btw ... this whole not wanting to make a trade thing is BS. I can't believe you people are still going on about this. LOL It's comical.

Eh hum ... Ireland offered a third. KC refused. KC later said they were never going to trade anyway. Remember?

One more time ... those two were joined at the hip.
 
So you demand FINAL SAY going in, many coaches do just that to avoid exactly what went down in Miami. But Jeff Ireland was not relinquishing FINAL SAY which is why Jeff Fisher basically told us to take a hike. We were at the bottom of the barrel for head coaching choices and one of those bottom feeders was smart enough to not attach himself to Ireland. And I really believe Philbin would have quit if he was forced to work with Ireland for another season so maybe you guys have more in common than you know.

That's another issue all together that do agree with. But, I stand by Phailbin, if the story is true, which I don't think it is, should have found a way.

Anyway, it's all mute.
 
I kinda just stopped caring about the blame game drama. It's too easy for anyone on the Fins staff to just point to Ireland and say "Not Me!"
So, because it's easy and no one can really contest it until digging up More and More rumors and facts, they'll do it. It buys them time. They want to keep their jobs after all.

I'm just waiting for the season to start, and the only thing Philbin will have to prove is can his team be in that upper tier of the NFL week by week.
Cuz if he doesn't, Ross definitely isn't getting sweet-talked again, not after Ireland's mess and the people of Miami's general disgust.
 
Who was responsible for playing Dallas Thomas at left tackle? Jonathan Martin is markedly more natural and effective at left tackle than Thomas.
 
It's weird Ireland would say no to that and then bring in McKinnie at LT later.

Yes, it is weird. Getting McKinnie shows that he wasn't so opposed to a FA tackle. He just didn't get one earlier in the year, and the only reason he wouldn't have done that is because he thought he wouldn't need one. Part of the process of knowing if you need a position filled is getting feedback from the coaching staff. If the coaches tell you he's coming along slowly, but still coming along, then the GM has to make a decision based on that.
 
The reason I created that long thread a while ago about our O line, was to find out how it came to be, and when did the Albert talks start, and when did it stall and so forth. I went through the whole timeline, tried to read any stories I could about quotes from Philbin, Sherman, other linemen, Ireland, etc, on these players, specifically Martin. I couldn't pin it on any one guy. They were all cagey. Albert was here in Miami, Ireland worked out all the numbers, the money was not an obstacle, and while most of the staff was away at the owners meeting, there was a lull and a bunch of rumors that we'd sign Albert. Reporters tried to nail down Philbin, who was here in Miami, about Martin, and he was non-committal, but said Martin was capable and strong enough to play LT and he would take that role if he was the best player. So it sounded like Philbin was waiting to see what came of the Albert deal. The trigger wasn't pulled. We don't know what the conversation was between Philbin and Ireland about that.

As it stands now, we're back to square one. Draft a tackle, develop him on the right, sign a stop-gap veteran on the left, then move him over just like they did with Martin, before. We can also go back to trying to sign Albert.

But the whole line needs rebuilding. Part of the reason Martin was moved back to RT was not because he wouldn't ever be able to handle LT duties, but because they wanted to bench Clabo. Yet, signing Clabo was not a bad move. He was one of the best tackles available at the time. Our line failed for a lot of reason, because of lack of talent, not able to execute within Sherman/Philbin's scheme, lack of communication on the line by the players, and not having blocking help. All of that was BOTH Ireland and Philbin/Sherman's responsibility. If you take the long view, it's more Ireland's because of years of drafting. If you take the short view, you might glance toward Philbin, or Philbin/Ireland combination.
 
Meshes with the report that Joe told the FO that Martin straight up could not play left tackle. You can choose whether or not to believe it, because at this point people inside the Dolphins are going to pin the blame for everything on Jeff Ireland, but I think it's obvious that there was a huge disconnect between the personnel department and the coaching staff.

I don't buy he said that because in the end he still chooses who plays left tackle. Ireland doesn't set the lineups
 
At the time of the Draft there was a lot of speculation that Miami would trade a 2nd round pick for Brandon Albert. My buddy is a big KC fan and he was expecting us to make a deal. However, we traded the first of the 2nd round picks in moving up to take Dion Jordan and then Ireland elected to take Jamar Taylor with the second.
Ross asked everyone who they wanted to draft if they could get anyone (this was the night before the Draft) and everyone responded Dion Jordan. Next evening, Ireland dangles the 2nd round pick out there to Oakland and they take the bait. I'm sure that excitement was very high, but if Joe really preferred to use that pick to acquire Albert, he should have spoken up.
If we could have gotten Albert for the pick we acquired from Indy, we probably should have done it. Jamar Taylor has been a big disappointment to date, but hopefully can contribute later this year. Maybe Ireland should have phoned Vontae's Grandma for advice because it looks like Jeff got it wrong.
 
I don't buy he said that because in the end he still chooses who plays left tackle. Ireland doesn't set the lineups

I don't buy it either.

It's both their responsibility. There's drafting, then there's coaching and scheme. You have to make the line work with who you have if you lose someone in FA or someone gets injured. Happens all the time to teams. These two people, Philbin and Ireland, were like carrots and peas. Then our team fell apart and each one pointed the finger. Funny thing is, as much as Sherman was horrible, he took the fall the hardest and he had the least decision-making ability of all of them. Sherman had to accept whatever decisions Philbin made.

Something else I came across btw...when our O line was worst in sacks in the NFL, I was curious about Philbin's old team so I had looked, and in 2009 while Philbin was in charge, the Packers had 50 or more sacks on the season which was the most in the NFL that year. The comments I remember reading was it was fine, it would all work itself out. So Philbin has seen this before, and maybe both he and Ireland figured the line wouldn't be as much of a problem as it turned out to be.
 
I don't buy it either.

It's both their responsibility. There's drafting, then there's coaching and scheme. You have to make the line work with who you have if you lose someone in FA or someone gets injured. Happens all the time to teams. These two people, Philbin and Ireland, were like carrots and peas. Then our team fell apart and each one pointed the finger. Funny thing is, as much as Sherman was horrible, he took the fall the hardest and he had the least decision-making ability of all of them. Sherman had to accept whatever decisions Philbin made.

Something else I came across btw...when our O line was worst in sacks in the NFL, I was curious about Philbin's old team so I had looked, and in 2009 while Philbin was in charge, the Packers had 50 or more sacks on the season which was the most in the NFL that year. The comments I remember reading was it was fine, it would all work itself out. So Philbin has seen this before, and maybe both he and Ireland figured the line wouldn't be as much of a problem as it turned out to be.

We continue to hire OL coaches at head coach that don't seem to know how to build or develop a line.
 
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