Rumor: Philbin wanted to trade for Albert. Ireland said no

[HoneyB]

At the time of the Draft there was a lot of speculation that Miami would trade a 2nd round pick for Brandon Albert. My buddy is a big KC fan and he was expecting us to make a deal. However, we traded the first of the 2nd round picks in moving up to take Dion Jordan and then Ireland elected to take Jamar Taylor with the second.
Ross asked everyone who they wanted to draft if they could get anyone (this was the night before the Draft) and everyone responded Dion Jordan. Next evening, Ireland dangles the 2nd round pick out there to Oakland and they take the bait. I'm sure that excitement was very high, but if Joe really preferred to use that pick to acquire Albert, he should have spoken up.
If we could have gotten Albert for the pick we acquired from Indy, we probably should have done it. Jamar Taylor has been a big disappointment to date, but hopefully can contribute later this year. Maybe Ireland should have phoned Vontae's Grandma for advice because it looks like Jeff got it wrong.

Interesting.

All we have are bits and pieces. Philbin was right in the thick of things. In the end, the GM has to make the call.

You're correct that the pick we used for Jordan was the one KC wanted. There was some speculation in the press later as to what exactly Ireland offered, and we won't know, but at one point KC claimed it wasn't even the later 2nd, it was a 3rd. Who knows. The deal stopped not because of money, or Albert. Albert wanted to come here, he got a huge dollar he wanted, he dictated to us what he wanted, and it was set. The only remaining negotiation is what else KC wanted before they'd let him go. KC from what we heard wanted that high 2nd rounder and we used it for Jordan. Then later, KC claimed they were willing to still deal Albert for 2014 picks. Still no deal got done.

Ultimately, Ireland got it wrong and for so many years. It's a blessing he's gone. But as they say, be careful what you wish for. Now Philbin has no more excuses, no one else to blame, and we will also cross our fingers with a new GM and hope we get some talent in here.

 

[72champagne]

lmao @ you guys dissecting and analyzing every morsel of trivial (& likely) disinformation spun by a fricken football team. i mean, i like the dolphins too but geepers creepers. wake me up for the draft.

 

[HoneyB]

lmao @ you guys dissecting and analyzing every morsel of trivial (& likely) disinformation spun by a fricken football team. i mean, i like the dolphins too but geepers creepers.

I don't disagree with you that a lot of it is spin. That's why when one of the local reporters says "a source" told him it's usually just propaganda. I place more weight on national reporters, and I listen carefully to who is the source. I do the same thing on the radio, when those monkeys tell me what's going on, I can't really believe them but once in a while they have an inside football guy from another team come on, or a national scout, and you do get some clarity.

I have to kill a couple hours btw because I'm going in later to work, was on standby waiting to see what our northern branch was going to do, stay open or close for snow. So I have lots of time for drivel...lol.

 

[steevieb22]

I get how Albert would have helped the team last season, but Ireland made the right call. Aside from the fact that we still don't know what we have in Jamar Taylor due to injury, to give up a 2nd round pick and then have to pay the guy $9 mil is too much. KC overplayed their hand and the deal fell through. If Taylor becomes a shut down corner, do we still think it was a bad idea to keep the pick. If Albert was the last piece to a Super Bowl team, you do the deal. With a 2nd year QB, and other pressing issues, it's not a deal I would have done.

 

[Geforce]

Who was responsible for playing Dallas Thomas at left tackle? Jonathan Martin is markedly more natural and effective at left tackle than Thomas.

Did they try Thomas at left tackle because they lack confidence in Martin or did they try Thomas at left tackle because the O-Line coach was clueless?

 

[Zounds]

I don't buy he said that because in the end he still chooses who plays left tackle. Ireland doesn't set the lineups

Martin was the best option on the roster, and that's why he was in the lineup. That doesn't mean Philbin didn't want to upgrade the position.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

You know what everyone, Ireland isn't here anymore. Who gives a ****.

We didn't get Albert last year. That was then, this is now.

Who the **** cares now.

 

[Zounds]

Did they try Thomas at left tackle because they lack confidence in Martin or did they try Thomas at left tackle because the O-Line coach was clueless?

I think its obvious they wanted some competition at LT, being that we went into the preseason with no competition with Jonathan Martin. Coaching staff knew there were problems there.

 

[Geforce]

I don't buy he said that because in the end he still chooses who plays left tackle. Ireland doesn't set the lineups

After Long chose to sign with the Rams in late March, the only choices left on the team was Jon Martin, Nate Garner and maybe John Jerry.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

From photos from last year, I clearly say Philbin beside Ireland in the war room.

From interviews conducted during the draft, I distinctly remember all parties talking about a consensus being reached on all players being drafted.

It's complete BULL**** to think Philbin had no say in players acquired. Do GMs and coaches have disagreements. All the damn time.

Please someone tell me why this is a big deal?

 

[NCFINFAN13]

From photos from last year, I clearly say Philbin beside Ireland in the war room.

From interviews conducted during the draft, I distinctly remember all parties talking about a consensus being reached on all players being drafted.

It's complete BULL**** to think Philbin had no say in players acquired. Do GMs and coaches have disagreements. All the damn time.

Please someone tell me why this is a big deal?

I totally agree.

It's a topic of conversation because it appears the Philbin camp is trying to divorce itself from last years' personnel decisions, placing the blame squarely on Ireland. And, people are jumping on that wagon blindly, absolving Philbin, when the reality is, based on their own kissy face press conferences, that the two were absolutely joined at the hip.

Some of us just won't fall in the group think line, instead insisting both are responsible, so the debate continues.

The unfortunate result of yet another frustrating post season watching some other teams continue.

 

[Geforce]

From photos from last year, I clearly say Philbin beside Ireland in the war room.

From interviews conducted during the draft, I distinctly remember all parties talking about a consensus being reached on all players being drafted.

It's complete BULL**** to think Philbin had no say in players acquired. Do GMs and coaches have disagreements. All the damn time.

Please someone tell me why this is a big deal?

I don't think anyone said Philbin had no say in player acquisition or general managers and coaches disagreement. This is about a general manager's failure to fully address a situation that was brought to his attention (if the rumor is true) before it became a problem.

The Dolphins were noncommittal on where Martin was going to play until after the draft when they failed to resign Jake, failed to trade for Albert, failed to sign McKinnie and didn't draft one of the top tackles available in the draft.

 

[roy_miami]

I don't think anyone said Philbin had no say in player acquisition or general managers and coaches disagreement. This is about a general manager's failure to fully address a situation that was brought to his attention (if the rumor is true) before it became a problem.

The Dolphins were noncommittal on where Martin was going to play until after the draft when they failed to resign Jake, failed to trade for Albert, failed to sign McKinnie and didn't draft one of the top tackles available in the draft.

Exactly. Perhaps they were both equally responsible for the position becoming a problem in the first place but at least Philbin realized it was a problem and wanted to fix it before the season.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Exactly. Perhaps they were both equally responsible for the position becoming a problem in the first place but at least Philbin realized it was a problem and wanted to fix it before the season.

If Philbin wanted him badly enough he would've been here. Just as easily as he got rid of players on the leadership council.

 

[roy_miami]

If Philbin wanted him badly enough he would've been here. Just as easily as he got rid of players on the leadership council.

Not true.