San Francisco Chronicle: Ira Miller.."The pick here is Rodgers"

[CrunchTime]

I break it down a little different:

60% - Draft Alex Smith
20% - Draft Braylon Edwards or Aaron Rodgers
20% - Trade Down with Minny

This is my breakdown.

40% -We trade down.Where there is will there is a way and Saban wants to trade down according to most reports.

40% -We draft Smith

15%- We draft Rodgers or Edwards
.
5% - We draft someone else.

 

[Smithboy]

Miami would be wise to use Braylon Edwards to their advantage.

He's our easiest ticket to more picks.

 

[cowtowndick]

I guess you forgot that they also contacted Cleveland at the same time they contacted Miami and SF. Miami does not want Edwards. He will be available at the 3rd spot.

Re Smith and/or Edwards, the trades only work if Saban is happy with the prospect of keeping each player, otherwise he loses any leverage. IMO, there's no reason to believe Saban is interested in Rodgers (unless he's that good at hiding his interest, which could be the case). So if Rodgers goes first, he drafts Smith and either builds the franchise around him or trades him to TB for a good package. If Smith goes first, he drafts Edwards and keeps him or trades him to Minny for a good package. In either case, there will be time (before the #5 or #7 picks) to shop either one once they have been selected. The leverage Saban has goes up dramatically once he drafts the player - right now, his leverage may be a little low because everyone has Miami drafting a RB. We may end up with one as our top draft choice, but the two players (Smith and Edwards) are generating the most interest, thereby they have the most value to the Dolphins (as trade material). Sorry - that was way longer than I intended.

 

[BlueFin]

hey bluefin, you ever go to palm harbor ale house?

Yes, but I prefer the Palm Harbor Beef O Bradys (The one on Alt. 19) for watching Dolphin games, there is a hardcore group of Dolphin fans that showed up even in this worst of seasons, and they have a lot of big screens.

 

[fishypete]

Yes, but I prefer the Palm Harbor Beef O Bradys (The one on Alt. 19) for watching Dolphin games, there is a hardcore group of Dolphin fans that showed up even in this worst of seasons, and they have a lot of big screens.

One day we'll have to get together...and celebrate the Dolphins!

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Here's my take....

The 49ers are fooling nobody. Regardless of who it is, they are 100% sold on going QB at #1. Nobody is going to trade up with them either...

There are a few teams who want WR B. Edwards bad. They'll have to deal with Miami if they want him, it's as simple as that. If nobody is willing to trade up with Miami, we'll simply have to take WR B. Edwards off the board with our #2 pick....

Those teams that chose to pass on making the trade when Miami was on the clock, will immediately be ringing Saban and begging for the trade. The Chargers and Giants did it last year with Rivers and Manning, so we could easily do the same if the right offer presented itself....

At the very least, we end up with the best player in the 2005 NFL draft. I can't complain about that, and Edwards would stretch any, and every defense we face from now on. He'd be a huge offensive weapon, big enough of an impact player to force defenses from stacking the line IMO....

He'd open up our whole offensive system immediately....

PHINZ RULE!!!

 

[fishypete]

Here's my take....

The 49ers are fooling nobody. Regardless of who it is, they are 100% sold on going QB at #1. Nobody is going to trade up with them either...

There are a few teams who want WR B. Edwards bad. They'll have to deal with Miami if they want him, it's as simple as that. If nobody is willing to trade up with Miami, we'll simply have to take WR B. Edwards off the board with our #2 pick....

Those teams that chose to pass on making the trade when Miami was on the clock, will immediately be ringing Saban and begging for the trade. The Chargers and Giants did it last year with Rivers and Manning, so we could easily do the same if the right offer presented itself....

At the very least, we end up with the best player in the 2005 NFL draft. I can't complain about that, and Edwards would stretch any, and every defense we face from now on. He'd be a huge offensive weapon, big enough of an impact player to force defenses from stacking the line IMO....

He'd open up our whole offensive system immediately....

PHINZ RULE!!!

Thats the way I see it....it's a win..win.

 

[3P]

Blue...you may be right...maybe the Dolphins select Smith....pay him 5-6 mil to sit...but I don't see Saban doing that...not when he can select players who will start from day one. The Dolphins need playmakers...not bench sitters...and if you look at the games we lost last year...we were in most of them...fix the O-line....get another receiver who can catch and run afterwards...and pick up a running back that can make it interesting...is all the Dolphins really need. Thats the way I see it...and I believe thats the way Saban see's it too. Saban will draft a QB...but not early. In any event...it's great to be Dolphin fan....we have a future once again! GO PHINS!

It's almost like an analogy of having a nice big bag of diamonds and you kind of sort through those diamonds to try to find the one that has the least amount of imperfections so that you feel that you can get the best person who can help your team long-term and maybe to solve a need, but also long-term to give you the best opportunities to be successful so that this organization and our fans can actually be very proud of the kind of football team that we have.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3794

 

[dolphingator]

I break it down a little different:

60% - Draft Alex Smith
20% - Draft Braylon Edwards or Aaron Rodgers
20% - Trade Down with Minny

I see very little chance of a trade with Tampa, they are a team with far to many holes to give up the type of compensation it would require to move up, a lot of people don't realize that Gruden is just about in a hot seat in Tampa after two straight losing seasons and some of things that have transpired here, drafting a rookie quarterback and giving up the draft picks it would require to make it happen is not possible for them. They are in worse shape than we are.

I have a personal opinion that Alex Smith secretly, or not secretly prefers Miami to San Fran and that it has a lot to with their big demands from San Fran. I think he sees San Fran as a bad situation with a cheap owner, I think his real desire is too join Linehan and Saban in Miami.

Here is truth. Forget all the talk of "smokescreens". These are the facts that are driving this draft. SF will pick Rodgers or trade down w/ Minnesota. We will NOT deal with Tampa. We will pick Smith because he wants to be here and Saban wants him.

 

[PHINPHOURLIFE]

Yes, but I prefer the Palm Harbor Beef O Bradys (The one on Alt. 19) for watching Dolphin games, there is a hardcore group of Dolphin fans that showed up even in this worst of seasons, and they have a lot of big screens.

I know where you talking about been there a couple of times, and I will definetly show up this year to meet you crazy dolphin fans, the reason why asked if you have been to the ale house is, because there were a couple of people I used to hangout with there. Do you know the guy in the white F150 that drives around palm harbor with a huge dolphins flag, magnets, etc?

 

[Jnaledu3]

Blue...you may be right...maybe the Dolphins select Smith....pay him 5-6 mil to sit...but I don't see Saban doing that...not when he can select players who will start from day one. The Dolphins need playmakers...not bench sitters...and if you look at the games we lost last year...we were in most of them...fix the O-line....get another receiver who can catch and run afterwards...and pick up a running back that can make it interesting...is all the Dolphins really need. Thats the way I see it...and I believe thats the way Saban see's it too. Saban will draft a QB...but not early. In any event...it's great to be Dolphin fan....we have a future once again! GO PHINS!

We had playmakers in the 2001 and 2002 seasons. Guess where that got us? One and done in the playoffs. Why?
Because of poor QB play. Thats what it all comes down to.

You can get to the playoffs with crappy QB play, but you cant win. And dont say Dilfer- hes the exception, not the rule.

People easily forget the team that always made the playoffs, but never won. This team could never get over the hump.

Marino was good enough to win in the playoffs, but he was missing a defense and a running game.

People need to stop focusing on how we are going to get back to the playoffs, and start focusing on how we are going to get to the playoffs and WIN- and it starts with a great QB.

 

[BlueFin]

I know where you talking about been there a couple of times, and I will definetly show up this year to meet you crazy dolphin fans, the reason why asked if you have been to the ale house is, because there were a couple of people I used to hangout with there. Do you know the guy in the white F150 that drives around palm harbor with a huge dolphins flag, magnets, etc?

Yes........I remember him, in seasons past I would go to the Ale House, are you him?

 

[sports24/7]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/20/ONTHENFL.TMP

Ira Miller is as close to the situation as anybody writing about it, he thinks Rodgers will still be the Niners man when the dust settles. He doesn't think any of these tradeups will actually occur.

Let me add, I stand by my prediction that Alex Smith will be a Miami Dolphin Saturday afternoon.

I hope your right. And let me add, everytime I get upset that it looks like we won't get Smith your optomism picks me up and lets me hold on to that shred of hope that we'll get him.

 

[phinfan13/34]

We had playmakers in the 2001 and 2002 seasons. Guess where that got us? One and done in the playoffs. Why?
Because of poor QB play. Thats what it all comes down to.

You can get to the playoffs with crappy QB play, but you cant win. And dont say Dilfer- hes the exception, not the rule.

People easily forget the team that always made the playoffs, but never won. This team could never get over the hump.

Marino was good enough to win in the playoffs, but he was missing a defense and a running game.

People need to stop focusing on how we are going to get back to the playoffs, and start focusing on how we are going to get to the playoffs and WIN- and it starts with a great QB.

I agree brother!!

 

[PHINPHOURLIFE]

Yes........I remember him, in seasons past I would go to the Ale House, are you him?

I am not him, I drive a 98 white cobra with a dolphin plate, and I live near boot ranch, and you can usually find me at winghouse for happy hour every friday
and thru out the week, oh yea my name is Josh