Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league

[SuperMarksBros.]

I don't dismiss 29 TDs, that's a nice season but w/ 16 INTs and leading a team to 9-7 that take s a little lusyer of 29 TDs. The O may have been 5th in pass yds but was 9th in pts scored.

If he doesn't have the huge offensive #s(which he never has) he needs great pts scored and team #s. 9-7 in a mediocre division, 9th in pts scored isn't cutting it w/ his individual #s.

OK fine, lets throw in your 9th in points scored argument and look at the whole picture:

#4-passing yards
#6-TD passes
#4-yards per attempt
#7-QB rating
Top 5 passing and overall offense
2 playoff road wins, one of which was at the defending champs while he outdueled the league MVP
SB MVP

On a team that would've been sub-.500 w/o him, nevermind SB champions.

NONE of this equates to an elite season? You're either high, or you Jets fans have the HARDCORE little brother jealousy syndrome going on.

 

[Vaark]

Of course it is, being elite means being one of the top teams in the league. How is a team over the last 3 years that has the most playoff wins and most ttile game apps not elite?

Example of:
"Elite": Miami Heat: 2 Superbowls, 6 playoff series, 26 post season wins

"More Lucky Than Good": NY Jest: 1 legitimate winning season out of 3, ditto 1 legitimate post season they earned where teams didn't actually consider them "meaningless games" ..... yet still no divisional titles

 

[DuderinoN703]

Of course it is, being elite means being one of the top teams in the league. How is a team over the last 3 years that has the most playoff wins and most ttile game apps not elite?

Because they can't get to the Super Bowl. What elite team fails like that twice when talking about individual seasons?

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Anyone find it funny that getting to 2 AFC championships before a mediocre 8-8 season is considered elite, but winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 years is NOT elite?

I'm sorry man, but this is the biggest load of BS ever.

To be fair, I think he says the Giants as a whole are now elite. It's me who is confusing my own thoughts and opinions based on my own definition of what elite is.

Now it's Eli Manning that isn't elite according to him. See the 657 threads above for insight into that.

 

[DuderinoN703]

I'm guessing you are just blaming the D for this game so we can take credit from Eli in postseason when the Giants D played great and was the biggest reason they went on that run?

You act like it's such a simple thing. The defense if anything needs to keep the game close. Obviously this doesn't always happen. It's also obvious good QBs aren't always good QBs. All of the elite QBs you mention have all had games in the past that
they've failed in. None of them are perfect.

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

Example of:
"Elite": Miami Heat

This.

 

[nyjunc]

OK fine, lets throw in your 9th in points scored argument and look at the whole picture:

#4-passing yards
#6-TD passes
#4-yards per attempt
#7-QB rating
Top 5 passing and overall offense
2 playoff road wins, one of which was at the defending champs while he outdueled the league MVP
SB MVP

On a team that would've been sub-.500 w/o him, nevermind SB champions.

NONE of this equates to an elite season? You're either high, or you Jets fans have the HARDCORE little brother jealousy syndrome going on.

7 rating
6 TDs
9ths in scoring O
9 wins

In postseason he played like an eltie QB so let's put that aside. Elite QBs play at an elite level all season, Eli didn't do that.

Example of:
"Elite": Miami Heat: 2 Superbowls, 6 playoff series, 26 post season wins

"More Lucky Than Good": NY Jest: 1 legitimate winning season out of 3, ditto 1 legitimate post season they earned where teams didn't actually consider them "meaningless games" ..... yet still no divisional titles

Wow! the heat are good, they made 2 SBs? Impressive. Now you are a heat fan?

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

7 rating
6 TDs
9ths in scoring O
9 wins

In postseason he played like an eltie QB so let's put that aside. Elite QBs play at an elite level all season, Eli didn't do that.

Wait, are you suggesting throwing the 6th most TD passes in the league is not a GOOD thing? And another thing, it looks a heck of alot better when I tell you that the Giants were DEAD LAST in rushing attempts and rushing yards, yet were 6th in rushing TDs. Translation, Jacobs/Bradshaw=cherry pickers

Not buying the 9 wins arguement either, we all know football is a team sport and for the season, the Giants defense ranked 27th in total yards, and 25th in points scored. Eli carried that team to 9 wins before they finally decided to show up(get healthy) in the postseason.

 

[nyjunc]

Wait, are you suggesting throwing the 6th most TD passes in the league is not a GOOD thing? And another thing, it looks a heck of alot better when I tell you that the Giants were DEAD LAST in rushing attempts and rushing yards, yet were 6th in rushing TDs. Translation, Jacobs/Bradshaw=cherry pickers

Not buying the 9 wins arguement either, we all know football is a team sport and for the season, the Giants defense ranked 27th in total yards, and 25th in points scored. Eli carried that team to 9 wins before they finally decided to show up(get healthy) in the postseason.

It's GOOD, it's not elite. In this era how would 29 TD passes be considered elite?

Victor Cruz carried them to the playoffs, if not for him they don't beat us or Dallas and if you are going to give Eli credit for the 9 wins and "carrying" them you have to give the D credit for carrying them in the playoffs.

 

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[tylerdolphin]

I can almost guarantee that if Eli threw for 40 TDs and 6 INTs next year and his team got bounced in the second round, junc would argue that Eli didnt have an elite year because he didnt come up "clutch" and win a SB. Its pointless arguing with junc because his arguments are so circular that no matter what happens he is always right.

 

[Vaark]

It's GOOD, it's not elite. In this era how would 29 TD passes be considered elite?

Victor Cruz carried them to the playoffs, if not for him they don't beat us or Dallas and if you are going to give Eli credit for the 9 wins and "carrying" them you have to give the D credit for carrying them in the playoffs.

Too funny, Cruz scored his 99 yard run in the second quarter which ended Giants 10 Jets 7. Last I looked the Giants outscored the Jets 19-7 n the second half. There's more reality in the jest not even being an 8-8 team if in game 1 Tony Romo didn't have a brainfart and hand them the game late on a silver platter.

Yet you claim that Sanchez made critical plays to win the SD playoff game. Last I looked, it was Shon Greene who broke a 54 yard run, coupled with Kaeding choking 2-3X that created the victory. If you wanna count Sanchez handing off to Greene, then yeah, he played a part in the game ending 17-14 in their favor instead of 14-10 Chargers despite the choking kicking. More selective parsing.

 

[CalDolFan10x14]

You act like it's such a simple thing. The defense if anything needs to keep the game close. Obviously this doesn't always happen. It's also obvious good QBs aren't always good QBs. All of the elite QBs you mention have all had games in the past that
they've failed in. None of them are perfect.

Oh I'm aware that it's team vs player in this argument. That shouldn't matter though. If he's going to call the Jets "elite" because they made it to two AFC Championships in 3 years, then I would have to think he'd acknowledge that Eli Manning is elite since he won 2 Super Bowls in 5 years. Not only that, but he came off arguably his best season...doing all this while having to make up for one of the worst defenses in the league during the regular season. But for the life of me, he can't seem to do this.

 

[Vaark]

7 rating
6 TDs
9ths in scoring O
9 wins

In postseason he played like an eltie QB so let's put that aside. Elite QBs play at an elite level all season, Eli didn't do that.



Wow! the heat are good, they made 2 SBs? Impressive. Now you are a heat fan?

Doesn't matter whether I am or not.. regardless, it's just a graphic example of what a truly "elite" team is, and has accomplished if using your convenient short range criteria. :idk:

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

I can almost guarantee that if Eli threw for 40 TDs and 6 INTs next year and his team got bounded in the second round, junc would argue that Eli didnt have an elite year because he didnt come up "clutch" and win a SB. Its pointless arguing with junc because his arguments are so circular that no matter what happens he is always right.

i disagree with junc on many of his jet points, but i agree with him here. he is not saying the giants are not an elite team, he is saying eli is not elite, which i agree with. superbowls are nice, but again its a team game and there is much more to an individual players success than superbowl wins, because if that were the case dan marino would not be even close to elite.

teams win superbowls, not individuals. the giants defense stepped it up big time in the postseason, and was a major factor in why the giants won a superbowl. yes manning played well vs green bay and played well vs the pats in the superbowl not turning the ball over and making big throws, but again, in order to be elite as a player, u need to do it consistently, such as the bradys, peytons, rodgers etc do.

eli had a very solid regular season last year, but as junc pointed out 29 and 16 is not exactly elite. its good, but its not elite. i guarantee if eli put up the 40-6 td int numbers you said junc would say he was elite, which he would be , heck it wouldn't even need to be that great a td int ratio.

there are deff times where eli manning looks amazing no doubt, but there are also way too many times during games where he looks horrible, that is what separates him from the bradys, brees, rodgers, peyton, etc qbs in the nfl. consistency.

he deff has time to become an elite qb as he still has plenty of years left barring no injury, but he needs to become consistent season to season. does not need to win another superbowl even, just put up more consistent regular season and better numbers. people may say regular season means ****, but again our very own dan marino, who imo is the greatest qb to play the game, deff didnt get in because of his playoff success, so it deff matters.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Oh I'm aware that it's team vs player in this argument. That shouldn't matter though. If he's going to call the Jets "elite" because they made it to two AFC Championships in 3 years, then I would have to think he'd acknowledge that Eli Manning is elite since he won 2 Super Bowls in 5 years. Not only that, but he came off arguably his best season...doing all this while having to make up for one of the worst defenses in the league during the regular season. But for the life of me, he can't seem to do this.

I was responding to him, not you. Of course Manning is elite. The Giants are as well. The Jets have to actually get to and win the SB before they're to be denounced elite.