Sports Buzz- Pats asked Thigpen for hand signals/ More Harbaugh talk

[spiketex]

Harbaugh has talent but he sounds like a total prick. The GM is eager to replace him even after 3 excellent seasons. The players allegedly don't like him but he gets results. Buyer beware.

 

[dlockz]

Harbaugh has talent but he sounds like a total prick. The GM is eager to replace him even after 3 excellent seasons. The players allegedly don't like him but he gets results. Buyer beware.

We should trade them Philbin head up for him. They will have a gum wrapper free environment in which to go 8-8 in as he fumbles his way through the season

 

[SkapePhin]

1. Unless sub-par and average are interchangeable words for you both Sanchez and Tannehill should be described the same way.

2. 11-5 with sub-par QB play is impressive. Beating the Painter led Colts team to back in at 8-8 is not that impressive. Getting to back to back championship games is impressive but Sanchez played good in the playoffs which speaks to what I said earlier, give Rex Ryan a Russell Wilson and he would be a championship caliber head coach.

3. I believe the same of Philbin. As impressive as the one 11-5 season was for Rex he hasn't come close to replicating it with similar QB play, and it doesn't look like he's close to ever doing it again. We were one play or one good QB performance away from winning several games more games last year, we could have easily been 11-5 or 12-4 with a little luck, or amazing plays by our QB at the end of a few games. When you have a sub-par QB you have no choice but to deal with this type of extreme variance. And as I pointed out, Sanchez's playoff passer rating and record indicates he's a gamer, he has the ability to step up his game as the pressure gets ratcheted up. Is Tannehill a gamer or is he more of an Andy Dalton?

Sanchez was a turnover MACHINE. While Tannehill hasn't lit the world on fire, he also hasn't been near as turnover prone as Sanchez. Turnovers Are much more difficult for a coach and team to overcome. That hasn't been the case with Tannehill


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[roy_miami]

Do you honestly think that the Patriots are the only team that if they sign a guy asks about the team they played for.

No I do not. But there is a big difference between signing a player to help your team as a football player first that happens to have knowledge of your opponent and signing a player merely to get knowledge on your opponent. I think Belichick is one of the few or maybe the only one that does the latter, definitely the only one that is so obvious about it anyway.

 

[Zounds]

Sanchez was a turnover MACHINE. While Tannehill hasn't lit the world on fire, he also hasn't been near as turnover prone as Sanchez. Turnovers Are much more difficult for a coach and team to overcome. That hasn't been the case with Tannehill


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Sanchez had 46 turnovers in his first 2 seasons. Tannehill had 41.

 

[SkapePhin]

Sanchez had 46 turnovers in his first 2 seasons. Tannehill had 41.

And they still made it to the championship games with more turnovers.... Put Tannehill on that team and they do the same

Philbin couldn't even make the playoffs

 

[dlockz]

No I do not. But there is a big difference between signing a player to help your team as a football player first that happens to have knowledge of your opponent and signing a player merely to get knowledge on your opponent. I think Belichick is one of the few or maybe the only one that does the latter, definitely the only one that is so obvious about it anyway.

I don't know the answer and neither do any outside of Belicheck but I think he does what every other coach does. He just may do it somewhat better

 

[trojanma]

No doubt, but that's what I'm saying, Rex was able to go to back to back championship games with subpar QB play. Philbin couldn't even make the playoffs with average QB play and a comparable defense to Jets'.


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This is such a straw man argument. You act like the qb is the only thing a team needs to succeed.
Obviously Trent dilfer and brad johnson showed that you dont need elite qb play to be successful

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[dlockz]

This is such a straw man argument. You act like the qb is the only thing a team needs to succeed.
Obviously Trent dilfer and brad johnson showed that you dont need elite qb play to be successful

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People give way too much credit and blame to the qb. No qb no matter how good wins games by themselves. Now if your qb is horrible it makes it harder of course but any decent qb can win a superbowl with a good team around them. Not one qb in the history of the NFL has won a superbowl all by himself.

 

[roy_miami]

And they still made it to the championship games with more turnovers.... Put Tannehill on that team and they do the same

Philbin couldn't even make the playoffs

Going 11-5 with sub-par QB play is an impressive feat. RGIII being the youngest player to post 100+ passer rating and getting a playoff win his first season is also impressive. Nick Foles leading the NFL in passer rating and tying the TD record in a game is impressive. Those are signs that those players could be great. But you can't make the leap that because Tannehill hasn't done those things that he will end up bad, or can't be better than them in the future. 100+ passer rating is a predictive stat for the guy that posts it, it says nothing of his competitor that posts an 80 rating. An 80 passer rating is not predictive of anything, regardless of what his peers are doing.

So Rex Ryan winning 11 games any given season with sub-par QB play is impressive, but that doesn't mean coaches that don't win 11 games with sub-par QB play are necessarily worse. And if Ryan did it regularly or even more than once it would be much more impressive, but a one time event could easily be attributed to plain old luck. And what the hell happened to Sanchez anyway? It seems to me his play fell off a cliff under Ryan's watch.

 

[finfan54]

apparently BB doesnt need Cincy's hand signals....its andy dalton for cryin out loud.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Going 11-5 with sub-par QB play is an impressive feat. RGIII being the youngest player to post 100+ passer rating and getting a playoff win his first season is also impressive. Nick Foles leading the NFL in passer rating and tying the TD record in a game is impressive. Those are signs that those players could be great. But you can't make the leap that because Tannehill hasn't done those things that he will end up bad, or can't be better than them in the future. 100+ passer rating is a predictive stat for the guy that posts it, it says nothing of his competitor that posts an 80 rating. An 80 passer rating is not predictive of anything, regardless of what his peers are doing.

So Rex Ryan winning 11 games any given season with sub-par QB play is impressive, but that doesn't mean coaches that don't win 11 games with sub-par QB play are necessarily worse. And if Ryan did it regularly or even more than once it would be much more impressive, but a one time event could easily be attributed to plain old luck. And what the hell happened to Sanchez anyway? It seems to me his play fell off a cliff under Ryan's watch.

The decline began once Faneca left for ARZ. I also believe that same year, Woody got hurt leading to retirement.

But their window was short. With the oline losing vets, quality of offensive play fell of the table as a whole.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

apparently BB doesnt need Cincy's hand signals....its andy dalton for cryin out loud.

Last night to me anyways confirmed my beliefs that Marvin Lewis is terrible.

 

[utahphinsfan]

We should trade them Philbin head up for him...

And then, Miami should trade Tannehill, Jordan, & a 1st rd pick to the Colts for A Luck. :rolleyes2:

 

[TheWalrus]

Rex Ryan is an excellent coach. He's been saddled with some of the worst personnel moves I've ever seen. I mean, what kind of brainstorm could lead an organization to give Buttfumble a big extension and simultaneously ship Darrelle Revis out of town? How he managed to get that team to 8-8 last year I'll never know. I'd take him as our head coach and would do backflips if we could somehow manage to get him as our DC.

Unfortunately my guess is that John Harbaugh is going to bolt for Michigan and that Rex will get the job in Baltimore. He was bitter about not getting the top job the first time -- he was runner up to Harbaugh, who was then the STs coach in Philly -- but I tend to think he's cooled his, ahem, jets by now.