Steelers Pick - The Gift That Keeps On Giving

[SkapePhin]

I did not see it live but I can say this is a disgusting display. Rudolph instigated Garrett took the bait then want waaaaaay over the line with using the helmet as a weapon. Then Pouncey went waaaay over by basically beating a guy who was being held down by the only person to keep his cool in Decastro (I originally said Villanueva sorry, wanna give props where they are due*) so this could have been a lot worse but he actually understands controlling your aggression.

The NFL is ****ED BIG TIME. They cannot win and GOOD they deserve to be put in this scenario with how poorly they have treated off the field cases for "star" players. They will get yelled at for both under penalizing for the actions and if they over penalize when compared to assaulting women or committing other horrendous crimes. Goddell made this bed and now he has to ****ing sleep in it, glad you make 40 million a year dude you are going to need to buy a private island to get away from the **** storm you are about to enter.

I wont get political because this is not the place for this but the NFL has its priorities backwards, hope this shakes the tree and gets things right.

It was a terrible incident but this will have zero impact on the NFL. A lot of people watch the NFL BECAUSE it’s a brutal “tough” sport, not in spite of it. This obviously doesn’t belong in the sport, and Garrett will be suspended, but it won’t have any kind of long term impact.

Heck, the NHL still encourages this kind of thing, and the NBA has an incident in which players jumped the stands to beat fans. Didn’t have any kind of long term negative impact for the league.

 

[The Goat]

I just rewatched the hunt video. It was pushing and shoving between two drunk morons. There were no punches and the worse thing that happened was a kick/shove which the girl was on her knees.

 

[qmar]

What Garrett did was unacceptable and I could see the argument for it being criminal. That said, Mason Rudolph is not innocent in this. Garrett tackled him, Rudolph took offense to being tackled and was attempting to pull Garrett's helmet off while on the ground. He was clearly ineffective in doing so and Garrett wasn't. What happened after that point is plain despicable. Rip the helmet off is one thing (when you have another guy trying to do the same to you). Taking that helmet and using it as a weapon is a totally different thing.

 

[CANDolphan]

Garrett should be charged. That is an assault with a deadly weapon. Hitting, punching, kicking... all that - I don't care about. A certain level of violence is accepted. But when you hit a guy on his exposed head with an object that can kill, it doesn't matter if it's "on the field" or not. There's precedent in pro-sports of players being charge with assault that took place during a game, and in this case it should be no different.

Slippery slope. Not sure how you charge Garrett without charging Pouncey. Former ASA here, FYI.

Edit not saying they'd face the same exact charges, but both would face pretty serious penalty. Pouncey was kicking him in the head as he was being held down (aka defenseless).

Not saying either is correct, but incidents like this really seems to drive emotion and people start saying legally incorrect things

 

[The Goat]

Lol, yeah, laughable that people are screaming for an assault charge. If Rudolph attempts to press charges he shouldn't be allowed to show face in an NFL locker room again.

It's not entirely up to Rudolph.

 

[Dolphinator530]

I love how people are ignoring Mason Rudolph rushing at Garrett like a total ****ing dumbass after he took his helmet. Not excusing what Garrett did, but Rudolph should have backed down instead of trying to look like a tough guy. He's an idiot. I'm sorry but I refuse sympathize the instigator. Garrett deserves the suspension he's getting and let's leave it at that.

But seriously, what you saw last night was worse than Kareem Hunt beating a woman? Wow.

Yeah, what "street cred" is he trying to build up. He went from a fine for ripping at the helmet to being suspended for charging and adding because the video shows after the helmet came off Garrett was giving it up.

The worst part and while nothing that happened was okay the biggest ***** move out of this was when Rudolph throwing his hands up like he was in grade school like OMG DID YOU SEE THAT.

Yeah we did and you bitched out after trying to buck up you idiot.

 

[The Goat]

Slippery slope. Not sure how you charge Garrett without charging Pouncey. Former ASA here, FYI.

Edit not saying they'd face the same exact charges, but both would face pretty serious penalty.

Because Garrett used a weapon.

 

[FSU Truth]

 

[ANUFan]

Not minimizing. Just telling you what I see when I watch.

No need to apologize..Minkah is what he is...A player that would perfer to sit waaaay back, away from the physical stuff(his and his mommas words), looking for opportunites of the ball bouncing the right way.

 

[CANDolphan]

Because Garrett used a weapon.

He used a helmet, which is not an inherently dangerous weapon in of itself, but it was turned into one by the action he took. Okay agreed.

Pouncey attacked a defenseless man doing an action that you'd otherwise expect irreparable harm aka curb stomping a dude with his arms held down. That's not the exact same charge (as I stated earlier, mind you), but again, they'd face similar penalties based off my very basic review of the video.

 

[Dolphinator530]

It was a terrible incident but this will have zero impact on the NFL. A lot of people watch the NFL BECAUSE it’s a brutal “tough” sport, not in spite of it. This obviously doesn’t belong in the sport, and Garrett will be suspended, but it won’t have any kind of long term impact.

Heck, the NHL still encourages this kind of thing, and the NBA has an incident in which players jumped the stands to beat fans. Didn’t have any kind of long term negative impact for the league.

A lot has changed with the culture since some of these other events. The Me Too movement, political people calling out sports people on the news and other sports tightening things up. The court of public opinion is one where guilt and innocence is a big blur. The impact I think this has is bigger than you think. This will follow Garrett the rest of his career and Pouncey will be talked about and his relationship with Hernandez and follow him for a bit.

Video follows you for the rest of your life. This is my opinion and while I lean more in the direction of your thoughts as far of what will actually happen I guess i am hopeful this is a start of holding our icons and stars to a higher standard.

 

[CANDolphan]

Don't take this as my defending Garrett, Im more attacking Pouncey because it's blowing my mind people are saying he shouldn't be suspended.

 

[Dolphinator530]

Don't take this as my defending Garrett, Im more attacking Pouncey because it's blowing my mind people are saying he shouldn't be suspended.

Decastro was trying to end the situation by containing Garrett, and he went all barroom brawl and beat Garrett who was defenseless. They fine and suspend guys for hitting a defenseless receiver who was going over the middle during actual game play. This was a guy being held by a 300lb linemen trying to deescalate everything, had his arms pinned and Pouncey thought that was the time to be punching and kicking him, whats that say about you if you think that's an okay action? That's not football that's not life and belongs no where

 

[The Goat]

He used a helmet, which is not an inherently dangerous weapon in of itself, but it was turned into one by the action he took. Okay agreed.

Pouncey attacked a defenseless man doing an action that you'd otherwise expect irreparable harm aka curb stomping a dude with his arms held down. That's not the exact same charge (as I stated earlier, mind you), but again, they'd face similar penalties based off my very basic review of the video.

Fair enough...but (if I were a hypothetical prosecutor) the argument would go like this, imo:

- Garrett did something that doesn't quite have a precedent in the NFL. HOWEVER....in the NHL...a player *has* been charged with assault...for attacking another player - with a hockey stick. Marty McSorley was charged back in 2000.
- Pouncey kicked a guy while he was being held down...but:

- He (Garrett) was still wearing his protective gear​

- People in the NFL have been assaulted in similar ways while they were "defenseless" - see: Suh, Gronkowski, etc. There's precedent of NOT charging people like that.​

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It's just that I don't think someone would charge Pouncey, because it's not going to be a winner.


EDIT: For reference, I've never had any sort of legal training, but I was a Public Relations/publicity guy in Manhattan.

 

[Dolphinator530]

Fair enough...but (if I were a hypothetical prosecutor) the argument would go like this, imo:

- Garrett did something that doesn't quite have a precedent in the NFL. HOWEVER....in the NHL...a player *has* been charged with assault...for attacking another player - with a hockey stick. Marty McSorley was charged back in 2000.
- Pouncey kicked a guy while he was being held down...but:

- He (Garrett) was still wearing his protective gear​

- People in the NFL have been assaulted in similar ways while they were "defenseless" - see: Suh, Gronkowski, etc. There's precedent of NOT charging people like that.​

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It's just that I don't think someone would charge Pouncey, because it's not going to be a winner.

Wasnt there another case in the NHL where that guy cheapshotted a player from behind and drove his head to the ice? Dude was like seriously hurt by it i think. I think that had charges as well and I think can bring some precedence to Pouncey who, say whatever you want about its an aggressive sport, beat a defenseless person who was being held down.