Talk to me after T-Hill has 40 starts under his belt. By then we will know what he is made of.
Tannehill versus Wilson: Did we draft the right quarterback?
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I agree completely that questions regarding the system and the players we are surrounding Tannehill with are of utmost importance. But your point about selecting Wilson in the first round is an indictment of Parcell's rules for picking quarterbacks. Tannehill was selected because he more closely matched those criteria than Wilson did. What is it about the Brady's and Wilson's of the world that make general managers miss on players that have proven or are proving to be good leaders of their teams?
studsatele
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I think Wilson would do good, on our team. Cant really say if he'd be better or worse than Tannehill. Even though Wilson certainly appears to be a guy whose drive and determination, refuse to let him fail, id have to see how he does when his line allows the whole world in to clobber him almost every game. It's one of the aspects of Tannehill that gives me so much hope, the average QB would curl up with his thumb in his mouth, if they got smashed like RT has. He's stood remarkably stoic in the face of constant assault. But Wilson also strikes me as a mentally tough guy, so my best guess is he'd go down swinging, just like Tannehill has on many occasions.
dolfin530
Student of the Game
You could make the case for best in the NFL.
2.5 years. I won't argue with you about that. At least you put a number on the table. :)
On a more serious note, we got a promising young QB with a helluva potential upside - but by comparison, imagine how the jest fans feel, especially since Terry Bradway was lobbying strongly to draft Wilson and they were sitting with Suckchez. Forget the Tebow signing, burning of draft picks, crap players in general drafted and the cap mess he left the team in, if for nothing more than ignoring Bradway, Tannenbaum should have been kicked out on his ass for that.
Although many fault Tannehill on his supposed lack of pocket presence, he does appear to be very resilient and to be "mentally tough". Good characteristics for any quarterback to have.
susser2000
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I love how the discussion has been their systems and not the fact that Tannehill hasn't been getting protection this year...granted, when I see Russell Wilson have the pocket collapse on him, he is pretty good at evading defenders.
I think T-Hill will be a good QB in this league, my issue is why did the Dolphins select him with the #8 pick. A trade down or 2nd round seems to be where he should have been drafted and my opinion is based on his performance in the NFL. He's been in Sherman's system for 4 years and that's more than Luck, RGIII, and Wilson, T-Hill should be much better than he is playing. Also he would be close to 4000 yards passing and 23 tds if he had a better deep ball.
madmic21
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As a Colorado Dolphin fan had this argument way too many times . Always 5 against 1 and all they got is those damn Super Bowl rings...
studsatele
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My opinion is being mentally tough, is in the top 3 characteristics for a QB, well any player really, but especially a QB. I've also noticed that he's been able to hit Wallace a little more, or atleast it seems that way. Tannehill has demonstratedmore than enough skills and improvement of his skills to deserve more time.
Look, right now in all tangible and intangible criteria, no one is in Wilson's class (although his team's strengths and and how he's utilized sure don't hurt) - with the possible exception of Foles, although we'll see what happens once all the tape is out on him like Kapernick. It's pretty clear that aside from 4 years of college seasoning, and a superior mobility, without Reggie Wayne, Luck has fallen back into the Tannehill cluster and one really must wonder how THill would have looked with RW last season, or Luck without him in either Indy or Miami. Also while Luck is the better QB now as he should be, I dunno that he has more - if not as much potential upside as RyanT. RG3 is proving himself to be half the QB when he cannot utililze his greatest strength of mobility since he's a China Doll strapped to a railroad track (although I sure wish Tannehill had his long ball accuracy) - so IMO he's fallen below Luck and RT17, but is still above Weeden. Bottom Line: everyone passed on Wilson for a reason. Through the 20/20prism of the rear view mirror, he's certainly worth the #2 where RG3 went (and RG3 should have then gone in the teens), but at that time, Tannehill, who Optimum Drafting Scouts rated as "most moldable" was a good pick given the remaining market of and for QBs (KC probably would have taken him at 12 per the scuttlebutt) and while he may or may not epitomize Wilson, he certainly possesses the measurables, resiliency, accuracy to have that potential upside. Beyond that, this time last season Cam Newton was a joke on the field and on the sidelines in his 2nd year. No one's laughing now.
Well, I always prefer the conventional path and early excellence. I've emphasized that countless times. You can score big when early excellence is later devalued.
Russell Wilson had 17 touchdown passes and 1 interception as a freshman at North Carolina State in 2008. That's not a typo. I remember when he ran all around the Canes in a pick-em game at the end of the season, totally befuddling the defense.
Ryan Tannehill in 2008 as a freshman at Texas A&M threw one pass. A year later, when Wilson threw 31 touchdown passes as a sophomore, Tannehill was trusted to throw 8 passes period.
Now, there are two ways to look at that. This forum, and Dolphin fans in general, prefer the version that Tannehill will catch up and perhaps eclipse Wilson once he gains experience. The way I always look at it is that there was a reason one guy was a star and the other couldn't find the field. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. Happy adjustments fail. I never understand the popularity of happy adjustments. After they flop so often you would think the concept would lose value. Nope. The BCS idiocy of the past 15 years or so only adds to it. That system is based on adjustment, the so-called strength of schedule. Every goof thinks he can throw away the basic indications and wildly adjust based on strength of schedule. That same concept is transferred everywhere. It lends itself to vastly inferior sports analysis than my youth. After all, in that era you still had fans with a background in horse race handicapping, where the dilemma of class or speed presents itself in every race.
Wilson obviously was devalued based on height. That was a uniquely challenging variable. I heard the NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah say yesterday that the room groaned in unison at the Senior Bowl when Wilson measured barely above 5-10. Everyone was expecting tighter to 6 feet. Jeremiah said he dropped Wilson one round based on height alone. But Jeremiah also provided an anecdote, that Wilson asked for his phone number after the Senior Bowl interview and quickly texted Jeremiah, who scouted for the Eagles at the time. Wilson emphasized that he would lead the Eagles to Super Bowls if they drafted him. Personality wise, there is no comparison between Wilson and Tannehill, IMO. Tannehill could not be more robotic and boring in the Dolphin 5th Quarter shows. Only when the Martin situation surfaced did Tannehill make a positive impression behind the mike. I'm convinced Jeff Ireland never places enough emphasis on basics like that, how sharp and inquisitive a guy comes across during interviews. Not knowing the divisions would have been a red flag for me. You're going to fall behind your peers with ignorance like that.
Back to the question, I think we took the wrong guy. I love ideal variance of pace and loft, along with early excellence.
There were at least a couple of guys on Dolphin forums who campaigned before the draft for a combo of Luke Kuechly in the first round and Russell Wilson in the second round. Now that's scary. I can't remember if it happened here or on another site. Perhaps in the comments under the Draft Winds columns. I know I saw it somewhere.
BTW, the least surprising offshoots of quarterback draft 2012 are Robert Griffin's inept pocket and traffic instincts, and his often questionable comments and attitude when things aren't going well. I can't believe so many fans and analysts are surprised by either one. They were a staple of his game at Baylor dating to his freshman year. All you had to do was pay attention. I mentioned them more than once in scouting reports prior to the draft. Griffin's recent digs are no different than the whiny remarks after twice losing to Connecticut, or when Illinois pushed him around in a bowl game, or his conduct when Oklahoma State was abusing him in the first half during his final season. It's still difficult for me to believe that Griffin was named such an upstanding guy with a perfect personality for the position. That describes Andrew Luck. Griffin is erratic at best.
Russell Wilson had 17 touchdown passes and 1 interception as a freshman at North Carolina State in 2008. That's not a typo. I remember when he ran all around the Canes in a pick-em game at the end of the season, totally befuddling the defense.
Ryan Tannehill in 2008 as a freshman at Texas A&M threw one pass. A year later, when Wilson threw 31 touchdown passes as a sophomore, Tannehill was trusted to throw 8 passes period.
Now, there are two ways to look at that. This forum, and Dolphin fans in general, prefer the version that Tannehill will catch up and perhaps eclipse Wilson once he gains experience. The way I always look at it is that there was a reason one guy was a star and the other couldn't find the field. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. Happy adjustments fail. I never understand the popularity of happy adjustments. After they flop so often you would think the concept would lose value. Nope. The BCS idiocy of the past 15 years or so only adds to it. That system is based on adjustment, the so-called strength of schedule. Every goof thinks he can throw away the basic indications and wildly adjust based on strength of schedule. That same concept is transferred everywhere. It lends itself to vastly inferior sports analysis than my youth. After all, in that era you still had fans with a background in horse race handicapping, where the dilemma of class or speed presents itself in every race.
Wilson obviously was devalued based on height. That was a uniquely challenging variable. I heard the NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah say yesterday that the room groaned in unison at the Senior Bowl when Wilson measured barely above 5-10. Everyone was expecting tighter to 6 feet. Jeremiah said he dropped Wilson one round based on height alone. But Jeremiah also provided an anecdote, that Wilson asked for his phone number after the Senior Bowl interview and quickly texted Jeremiah, who scouted for the Eagles at the time. Wilson emphasized that he would lead the Eagles to Super Bowls if they drafted him. Personality wise, there is no comparison between Wilson and Tannehill, IMO. Tannehill could not be more robotic and boring in the Dolphin 5th Quarter shows. Only when the Martin situation surfaced did Tannehill make a positive impression behind the mike. I'm convinced Jeff Ireland never places enough emphasis on basics like that, how sharp and inquisitive a guy comes across during interviews. Not knowing the divisions would have been a red flag for me. You're going to fall behind your peers with ignorance like that.
Back to the question, I think we took the wrong guy. I love ideal variance of pace and loft, along with early excellence.
There were at least a couple of guys on Dolphin forums who campaigned before the draft for a combo of Luke Kuechly in the first round and Russell Wilson in the second round. Now that's scary. I can't remember if it happened here or on another site. Perhaps in the comments under the Draft Winds columns. I know I saw it somewhere.
BTW, the least surprising offshoots of quarterback draft 2012 are Robert Griffin's inept pocket and traffic instincts, and his often questionable comments and attitude when things aren't going well. I can't believe so many fans and analysts are surprised by either one. They were a staple of his game at Baylor dating to his freshman year. All you had to do was pay attention. I mentioned them more than once in scouting reports prior to the draft. Griffin's recent digs are no different than the whiny remarks after twice losing to Connecticut, or when Illinois pushed him around in a bowl game, or his conduct when Oklahoma State was abusing him in the first half during his final season. It's still difficult for me to believe that Griffin was named such an upstanding guy with a perfect personality for the position. That describes Andrew Luck. Griffin is erratic at best.
MexDolfan
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I trust in Ryan Tannehill, I'm sure he'll become a great QB fir our team. But Russell Wilson has been a great surprise to the entire NFL.
The draft is not a matter of evaluating pure talent but also finding pieces for a football team. Wilson is being an important piece for Seattle, but he would never be as effective in Miami.
Main reason is Pete Carroll started a rebuilding process in 2010, while Dolphins hired Joe Philbin in 2012.
But the ceiling is higher for Tannehill and Wilson is going to lose a step in a year when opponent defenses adjust to his game and Seahawks' defense starts to lose some key pieces.
Russell Wilson has great chances to win a Superbowl by the end of the season, but Tannehill could hold a Lombardi in 2016. They are living different experiences and developing in opposed directions.
Today's numbers show Russell Russell has more wins, yards and TD than Ryan Tannehill, but face-to-face the score is Dolphins 1 - 0 Seahawks with these young QB in command.
