Tannehill vs Luck Updated

[Vaark]

I know much more about QB play than you. You don't win 4 road playoff games in 2 years w/ poor QB play. Isn't it amazing how great Ryan is w/o getting his team in a playoff race yet mark sucked and has won the 3rd most playoff games since entering the league?

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they were both legit penalties and if they don't called a shaky one on a Hill TD we may not need the 2nd one against NE. It must really suck to sit around and make excuses all day long, such a sad man.

same penalty that wasn't called on the Ravens that could well have made us 6-4

 

[DuderinoN703]

Mark Sanchez playoff wins in 4 seasons as a starting QB: 4
Miami Dolphins playoff wins 1993-2012: 4

Mark was a terrible QB in 2012 but was good his first 3 years and would have been good this year.

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to those that don't know the game, to those that just look at ratings and stats

All that means is Miami hasn't done anything in years and we're all fully aware of that. The stats for Geno Smith in the Jets losses are telling:

vs NE: 15 for 35 214 yds 0 TDs 3 INTs
at TEN: 23 for 34 289 yds 1 TD 2 INTs
vs PIT: 19 for 34 201 yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
at CIN: 20 for 30 159 yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
at BUF: 8 for 23 103 yds 0 TDs 3 INTs

I know I know, stats are bull****. It's all about how the QB carries the team. Carries them such as going 8 for 19 for 115 yds versus New Orleans. A guy like you looks at that and will say they won b/c of Smith. Nevermind that Chris Ivory ran well to stick it to his old team.

 

[mrbunglez]

nyjunc maybe the jets need to stop hanging at Dave and Busters and actually practice maybe they wouldn't have gotten raped by the Bills this past week, not that I'm complaining. :D

PS. You didn't answer where the talent is for him to throw to.

 

[So Be]

Last year it was impossible to compare RT to Luck. Luck threw the ball 150 more times, threw deep twice as much, and had 1,000 yards more than Tannehill, etc. This year is completely different as they are both so close in almost everything they have done across the board.

PS- I really don't care at all about Jets QB.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I like Ryan Tannehill a lot and I think hoops is right about him, but he's definitely not in Luck's class. He might be some day, but he's definitely not at the moment. That's not a knock on Ryan Tannehill.

Nobody is in Andrew Luck's class right now except for Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, IMO.

While I agree that Luck has the potential to be in the class of Brees, Manning, Brady, etc. He is not there at the moment. I do think he is the #1 young QB in the league though when you look at current performance and long term potential.

 

[Sarnics13]

I'm jumping off the board as well in to the conversation about Luck vs RT. I can obviously see that Luck is very good....admit it. What I don't get is the total worship of the guy, and yes when it comes to rating him against RT. Their numbers are NOT that different... nor are the defensive numbers for the respective teams (as far as points scored against). They have the same amount of throwing TD's with luck having a few less Int's. So what is the glaring difference between the teams 2 game difference in record? Is it rushing TD's, special teams, field goals? What??? Because it is NOT.... I repeat NOT that Luck is hands down outplaying and dominating RT!!!!! Please don't inundate me with posts about Luck being the god of football because I am not understating how good he is. It also does no good to come back with "he has his team in playoff contention blah blah".... because HE doesn't!!! His production is obviously not the factor in what that team is doing. At least not to that glaring of a difference. Even in a far far inferior division they still have only scored 4 points/game more than we have.
I just don't see all the Luck worship. He's middle of the league stats wise. Just like RT.
It appears theres just a lot of carry over from the draft hype on him. He's very good, I get that......but for some people to be assuring he will be a hall of famer is just stupid.
Bash away....

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I know much more about QB play than you. You don't win 4 road playoff games in 2 years w/ poor QB play.

But you can win 4 road playoff games in 2 years with "please try not to F this up QB play" The Jets did it with Sanchez. The coaches even admitted it while it was going on. Its a shame you still can't admit it even after his career went up in flames, just like we told you it would. butt fumble..... stills makes me laugh....

 

[Ben Had]

It's well know fact both on TGG and here that nyjunc is a paid poster... he isnt going to admit Sanchez is a failure. Everyone argueing with him is wasting your time and efforts.

 

[nyjunc]

same penalty that wasn't called on the Ravens that could well have made us 6-4

sometimes you get breaks, sometimes you don't. you got 2 huge non calls go your way vs. Indy that could have made a difference. That's football.

All that means is Miami hasn't done anything in years and we're all fully aware of that. The stats for Geno Smith in the Jets losses are telling:

vs NE: 15 for 35 214 yds 0 TDs 3 INTs
at TEN: 23 for 34 289 yds 1 TD 2 INTs
vs PIT: 19 for 34 201 yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
at CIN: 20 for 30 159 yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
at BUF: 8 for 23 103 yds 0 TDs 3 INTs

I know I know, stats are bull****. It's all about how the QB carries the team. Carries them such as going 8 for 19 for 115 yds versus New Orleans. A guy like you looks at that and will say they won b/c of Smith. Nevermind that Chris Ivory ran well to stick it to his old team.

It boggles my mind the way seemingly intelligent people just can't read. at what point did I say geno was good?

nyjunc maybe the jets need to stop hanging at Dave and Busters and actually practice maybe they wouldn't have gotten raped by the Bills this past week, not that I'm complaining. :D

PS. You didn't answer where the talent is for him to throw to.

Wallace, Hartline, Clay, the backs, you had Gibson until recently, Matthews looks pretty good. That si certainly better than having to rely on Greg Salas and David Nelson like we had to vs. NO.

But you can win 4 road playoff games in 2 years with "please try not to F this up QB play" The Jets did it with Sanchez. The coaches even admitted it while it was going on. Its a shame you still can't admit it even after his career went up in flames, just like we told you it would. butt fumble..... stills makes me laugh....

if it is so easy please show me the similar examples through the years? it should happen all the time, right? why couldn't Miami do it last year w/ a supposedly superior Ryan Tannehill?

 

[tay0365]

please stop looking at blind stats, there is absolutely no comparison btw the 2. That doesn't mean Ryan is bad but he's nowhere near Luck no matter what the #s say. It's not about the overall #s, it's about how you got there that matters.

Ah, I was expecting eventually seeing you reply to this...I guess stats only matter when they work for you, well guess what?

When Tannehill and Luck met this year, Tannehill had a better game....Fact

Last year Andrew Luck was rated only 1 position better then Tannehill, this year Luck has improved a bit, Ryan 1 position behind again...Fact

Andrew Luck has had a more consistant O-line, Ryan has not....Fact

Andrew lost his best passing weapon, Ryan has lost to date 3 weapons that would have been instrumental in his success...Fact

These are facts, not just stats, if you wish you can ignore the obvious, but please stop crappy on each post that bring up something positive concerning the Dolphins, and start hoping/praying one day Geno will be able to turn into something close to a consistent QB, and not become another Mark Sanchez.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Mark Sanchez playoff wins in 4 seasons as a starting QB: 4
Miami Dolphins playoff wins 1993-2012: 4

Mark was a terrible QB in 2012 but was good his first 3 years and would have been good this year.

Clearly his coaches thought he would be fine. That's why they drafted a QB and then played Sanchez in a meaningless part of a preseason game.

:lol2:

 

[Unchained 07]

we saw it when you were last pumping up Chad henne. I am not pumping up geno, he's nowhere near as good as mark(neither is Ryan) but I hope he turns out better.

If you honestly think that there is a single GM or coach in the NFL that thinks that Mark Sanchez is better that Ryan Tannehill right now, you are seriously out of your mind.

 

[tay0365]

Geno is closer to Ryan than Ryan is to Luck. That says more about how good Luck is than anything else.

:lol2:

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

if it is so easy please show me the similar examples through the years? it should happen all the time, right? why couldn't Miami do it last year w/ a supposedly superior Ryan Tannehill?

Straw man.....

A. I never said it happens all the time.
B. How often it happens has no bearing on it happening with the Jets.
C. A team does not replace a young QB with an unknown if they believe he was integral to their success for 2 seasons so recently.

You can choose to ignore that the team was shielding Sanchez for his first two seasons and that he imploded when given more responsibility, but I don't have to.

 

[ciscoholgate]

Sanchez was terrible in the 4th qtr? interesting. you may want to go back and research that. Until then you really shouldn't bash others knowledge of QBs.

Yes, terrible. 68.3 4th quarter QB rating. More intereceptions (22) than touchdowns (20) and 52.5% completion percentage.
Show me just ONE franchise QB who has put up numbers that bad in their career. They don't because the good QBs play well in the 4th quarter.