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Teammates Bullied Martin

Oh well. The team won't miss him but we will miss that wasted 2nd rd pick.
 
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So it becomes immoral only when performance suffers.

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No, it becomes immoral when it encourages immoral behavior, which more often than not causes bad performance, but that's besides the point.
 
I'm ok with friends and teammates making fun of each other, but when it's done repeatedly towards one person to the point that it becomes personal and causes that person to snap(in a weak way or not), then it has no place in a locker room of people who should be acting like grown men playing a team sport.

How do you know when someone is going to snap? Is it ok all the way up until they snap? How about if that guy
that Martin helped hide the car on snapped? You have to take into context what the culture of the workplace is. In
a nail salon, I'd expect the employee to go to HR, or a manager and report a hostile work environment.

In an NFL locker room, I'd expect the employee to toss the other employee through the salad bar. (Figguritively)

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So it becomes immoral only when performance suffers.

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No, it becomes immoral when it encourages immoral behavior, which more often than not causes bad performance, but that's besides the point.

What's the point that it "encourages immoral behavior?"
 
Let me start off by saying I dont agree nor disagree with you. This your position and you shoudl stand by it. I do however have an observation. That is all of this 'mental health issue" stuff was not even a thought 20 years ago. ADD/ADHD all these med's they give kids was not even considered when I was growing up. Society was just thicker skinned. NO school shootings becasue a kid was depressed or was bullied. NONE of that. Is it becasue of todays social media and outlets so you hear more about these things or is it that we as people just had a better way of dealing with these "issues"?

I tend to agree 100% with Goon Boss and others. This bullying thing is a crutch. When I was growing up you delt with the school bully by putting a fist in his mouth. The bullying stopped. You maybe even get your A** kicked for standing up to the school bully but at least he knows from that day that he ain't gonna just take your lunch money and your not gonna do anything about it. now a days these kids get called names and the 1st thing they want to do is go and grab a gun. what happened to the plain old school yard 3:00 clock biz? trust me I'm not sayign this is the answer. I'm just making a general observation. the term Bullying in my opinion has taken on a life of its own. we have taken on the sense of softies. It's kind of sad. we grow our kids up believing that there are no losers then we turn them lose in the real world and their not winners and can't seem to stand the stress of losing. Losing is a life leason. in order to win you must first learn to lose.

This post is going way off topic...... Again just an observation

There are several reasons why you didn't hear about it as a mental health issue years ago. One was there wasn't nearly as much coverage of this stuff back then. Two was that I think maybe we've advanced in our understanding of this stuff like we have in our understanding of so many other things in recent years. Three ... and I was hesitant to post this because it goes down a political path ... is that we've had so many people bring up better understanding and treatment of mental health issues because of the gun debate going on in the country.

You mention the bullying thing as a crutch. I agree, but not in the way you might think. I think saying bullying is acceptable is a crutch to people who don't want to have to think about their actions and the consequences of their actions. Being mean to someone for no other reason that to give one a laugh or pleasure seems like a very base instinct. Some people aren't strong-willed or strong-minded enough to resist those urges. So they rationalize why not only it is OK, but by God it is the right thing to do and defend it beyond the point of reason.

Could Martin be incredibly thin-skinned? Of course. But I'm not willing to assume that when he also could be facing some real demons I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I have a friend who has OCD, which I think most people would consider a fairly mild mental disorder. Accept he has episodes when he becomes depressed about not fitting in because of his OCD, or where he's become suicidal and had to be hospitalized because co-workers pick on him about his problem. He can't be talked through this; the only thing that helps him is medication.

You know, there but for the grace of God go I.
 
There are several reasons why you didn't hear about it as a mental health issue years ago. One was there wasn't nearly as much coverage of this stuff back then. Two was that I think maybe we've advanced in our understanding of this stuff like we have in our understanding of so many other things in recent years. Three ... and I was hesitant to post this because it goes down a political path ... is that we've had so many people bring up better understanding and treatment of mental health issues because of the gun debate going on in the country.

You mention the bullying thing as a crutch. I agree, but not in the way you might think. I think saying bullying is acceptable is a crutch to people who don't want to have to think about their actions and the consequences of their actions. Being mean to someone for no other reason that to give one a laugh or pleasure seems like a very base instinct. Some people aren't strong-willed or strong-minded enough to resist those urges. So they rationalize why not only it is OK, but by God it is the right thing to do and defend it beyond the point of reason.

Could Martin be incredibly thin-skinned? Of course. But I'm not willing to assume that when he also could be facing some real demons I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I have a friend who has OCD, which I think most people would consider a fairly mild mental disorder. Accept he has episodes when he becomes depressed about not fitting in because of his OCD, or where he's become suicidal and had to be hospitalized because co-workers pick on him about his problem. He can't be talked through this; the only thing that helps him is medication.

You know, there but for the grace of God go I.
What I would say is that if Martin has serious enough mental issues that he requires treatment, then why is it just now coming to light?
I find it difficult to believe that someone that comes from a background of privilege, such as him, would not have the means or opportunity
to have his issues well in control with medication, therapy, whatever.
 
What I would say is that if Martin has serious enough mental issues that he requires treatment, then why is it just now coming to light?
I find it difficult to believe that someone that comes from a background of privilege, such as him, would not have the means or opportunity
to have his issues well in control with medication, therapy, whatever.

Could have been embarrassed and trying to deal with it on his own.
 
Could have been embarrassed and trying to deal with it on his own.

It's possible, but that doesn't pass the sniff test with me.

Even if HE didn't want to deal with it, his parents had ample opportunity, and means
to deal with the issue. and if he DIDN'T for any reason, want to deal with the issue,
then it's HIS fault.
 
It's possible, but that doesn't pass the sniff test with me.

Even if HE didn't want to deal with it, his parents had ample opportunity, and means
to deal with the issue. and if he DIDN'T for any reason, want to deal with the issue,
then it's HIS fault.

I agree that he would be responsible under those circumstances. I think there is a main difference between this and your own experience - football is not life and death. If a young guy who comes in mentally weak or with emotional problems, there's time to build him up - rather than weed him out. I understand and respect that it's different in your line of work. I just don't see it as an apples-to-apples comparison.
 
Philbin says that bullying will not be tolerated.

IMO, Shula, JJ, Tuna, and Sparano tell players to STFU and leave the guy alone or "else.". Philbin say it will no longer be tolerated, when it's been going on for over a year. Hmmm
 
I would order them as follows;
1- Rio Bravo
2- She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
3- The Horse Soldiers
4- The Searchers
5- Sands Of Iwo Jima
6- Rio Bravo
7- Fort Apache
8- Sons Of Katie Elder

Rio Bravo twice. I approve of this list.
 
Being a damn bully is never the right thing imo ( if you are a guard in a prison, maybe ). I can not stand a bully of any age, sex, race..whatever. If you are picking on some one then I do not respect you as a person. Could Martin have handled it better? Of course..but he should not have to be in that position in the first place. Bully's suck
 
Philbin says that bullying will not be tolerated.

IMO, Shula, JJ, Tuna, and Sparano tell players to STFU and leave the guy alone or "else.". Philbin say it will no longer be tolerated, when it's been going on for over a year. Hmmm

So, it's your opinion that hazeing/pranking/name calling/bullying just now started under Philbin?

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Being a damn bully is never the right thing imo ( if you are a guard in a prison, maybe ). I can not stand a bully of any age, sex, race..whatever. If you are picking on some one then I do not respect you as a person. Could Martin have handled it better? Of course..but he should not have to be in that position in the first place. Bully's suck

What's the definition of a bully? How is it a 6'8 300 plus pound man could be bullied?
 
I agree that he would be responsible under those circumstances. I think there is a main difference between this and your own experience - football is not life and death. If a young guy who comes in mentally weak or with emotional problems, there's time to build him up - rather than weed him out. I understand and respect that it's different in your line of work. I just don't see it as an apples-to-apples comparison.

I'm not drawing comparisons to me with this argument. I would apply this to any walk of life. He has had EVERY opportunity in life.
He grew up with highly educated parents, two of them, and is himself a graduate of a premiere university. He was a football player
of high level, and was gifted a free education. There is really zero excuse for not seeking help, or accepting help before now.
 
So, it's your opinion that hazeing/pranking/name calling/bullying just now started under Philbin?

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What's the definition of a bully? How is it a 6'8 300 plus pound man could be bullied?


The definition of a bully in my opinion is some one that physically or mentally abuses another person...and I don't think it is ever acceptable. It does not matter how big or tall he is. He is clearly an emotional guy and is extremely hurt by his teammates. Not cool at all. They should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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