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Tell me again how Tannehill is a bust.

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Did not read the thread...However, I know when I opened this site there would be a Tannehill is great and Tannehill sucks thread. If you thionk he played well yesterday you did not watch the game. he played OK. Missed Wallace again with a horrible underthrow, stared right at a safety blitz pre snap, proceeded to not move in pocket or change play just laid down for sack. Pre determined a 3rd and 2 to a covered Matthews with all day to throw (did this a couple of times)
He made some good throws too, and made a great play breaking thepocket and looking down field. Also, ran for a positive gain late in game and stayed in bounds. Give him time, he is neither a bust nor the answer yet
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I think what you see with this offense is that everyone is error prone. Mike Wallace NOT AT FAULT on that deep miss, but he has definitely been at fault on others this season. Brian Hartline slipping, dropping the ball, then Tannehill has one miss on him later.

Again, no margin for error. Too many mistakes. Charles Clay was great today, finally had a game without drops, and that was the difference, IMO.
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Daniel Thomas actually played well which was a shocker!!
His pocket presence HAS to improve. The sace on the obvious safety blitz was horrible
 
shouright said:
Well, we'd better hope that if that's true, his "comfort zone" expands considerably, because this level of QB play, in the absence of an absolute stud supporting cast and lots of luck (i.e., this year's KC Chiefs), isn't going to be associated with anything better than about a .500 record.

It would take lots of exceptions to the rule in other areas to get a QB with a low to mid 80s QB rating to propel a team to something significantly better than about .500.
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These are just recent SB winners:

2001 - Brady - 86.5
2002 - Brady - 85.7
2007- E. Manning - 73.9
2012 - Flacco - 87.7

All of these stud QBs have made it to SBs recently also:

Chris Chandler
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Brad Johnson
Rich Gannon
Jake Delhomme
Donovan McNabb
Matt Hasselbeck
Rex Grossman

The issue isn't QB rating, it is QB rating differential (for vs against). QB rating (IMO) is over rated for evaluating the play of the QB alone. Passer rating provides no information about how good the quarterback's teammates are, including how well he is protected by his offensive line when trying to pass or how good his receivers are. But is it a good indicator of the passing offense efficiency and the passing defense efficiency.

• an incredible 40 of 69* NFL champions (58 percent) since 1940 finished the year No. 1 or No. 2 in Passer Rating Differential
• 67 of 69* champions (97 percent) since 1940 finished the year ranked in the top 10 in Passer Rating Differential.

BTW, the Dolphins are currently 12th in differential.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/stats/2013/11/PRD/
 
Hartline had 6 drops tonight, what about our D not being able to stop the run, this is a work in progress team and we have a young QB that is learning, it takes time
 
SB Dreamer said:
Except for the fact it saved SD a timeout & about 33 seconds to try and beat us at the end. That whole series was a comedy of errors from passing to the sidelines on second down to RT running out of bounds like he was down by 4.
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No, it was not. The team converted first downs and ran time off the clock. There is no doubt that Ryan needs to be more consistent and continue to improve. Calling the drive a comedy is ludicrous.
 
For what it's worth, Tannehill passed for fewer yards than the Chargers give up on average; his YPA was consistent with what SD typically gives up; and his TD/INT ratio was much worse than the Chargers typically allow (they're 3 to 1 on the season - whereas Tannehill had 1 and 1).

I'm not saying he's a bust, but considering the performance and the defense, it's a strange game to pound your chest about.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
For what it's worth, Tannehill passed for fewer yards than the Chargers give up on average; his YPA was consistent with what SD typically gives up; and his TD/INT ratio was much worse than the Chargers typically allow (they're 3 to 1 on the season - whereas Tannehill had 1 and 1).

I'm not saying he's a bust, but considering the performance and the defense, it's a strange game to pound your chest about.
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that's one way to look at it. the other way is, they were both 4-5. the winner puts themselves in prime position for the 6th seed. the loser is all but finished...huge win, no matter the stats
 
slk018 said:
Daniel Thomas actually played well which was a shocker!!
His pocket presence HAS to improve. The sack on the obvious safety blitz was horrible
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But doesn't every sack mean the offensive line was at fault? :unsure: ;)

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FinfanInBuffalo said:
Explanation already given and you chose to ignore and deflect. Very typical.
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You've given no explanation as to how the information about the variation in Brady's QB rating relates to Tannehill.
 
The important point is that he has improved in year 2. Many of you are forgetting his rookie year.

1. He use to miss RB on swings and screens with a lack of touch. I cannot even remember a really poor throw to a RB this year.
2. He use to throw the ball too hard over the middle frequently.
3. He use to have a really hard time going through his progressions.
4. He use to struggle with accuracy last year where he could not complete 60 percent of his passes.

I agree that it ludicrous to label him a bust. I agree that I am not confident he would lead a game winning drive. I agree that he needs to get better.
 
For God's sake, we got a win despite two over the hill guys and a practice squad player on the o-line, no tight end, average receivers and no running game. AND we couldn't have won without Tannehill. JMHO, but if Tanny were on the Bengals they would be contending for the best team in the NFL. The kid still needs pocket presence, which comes with reps, and if we can keep him off IR he will eventually be an elite QB.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
These are just recent SB winners:

2001 - Brady - 86.5
2002 - Brady - 85.7
2007- E. Manning - 73.9
2012 - Flacco - 87.7

All of these stud QBs have made it to SBs recently also:

Chris Chandler
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Brad Johnson
Rich Gannon
Jake Delhomme
Donovan McNabb
Matt Hasselbeck
Rex Grossman

The issue isn't QB rating, it is QB rating differential (for vs against). QB rating (IMO) is over rated for evaluating the play of the QB alone. Passer rating provides no information about how good the quarterback's teammates are, including how well he is protected by his offensive line when trying to pass or how good his receivers are. But is it a good indicator of the passing offense efficiency and the passing defense efficiency.

• an incredible 40 of 69* NFL champions (58 percent) since 1940 finished the year No. 1 or No. 2 in Passer Rating Differential
• 67 of 69* champions (97 percent) since 1940 finished the year ranked in the top 10 in Passer Rating Differential.

BTW, the Dolphins are currently 12th in differential.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/stats/2013/11/PRD/
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I'm well aware of the information regarding QB rating differential. However, you've chosen only four of the past 12 Super Bowl winners (bolded above) to illustrate how lower-than-expected QB ratings can be associated with Super Bowl wins. Are you saying the other 67% of the Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks (the other 8 out of the 12) had QB ratings that are consistent with the gist of my argument, that we need much better quarterback play to be competitive at a high level?

And if you'd really like to start predicting Super Bowls on the basis of QB play (for and against), see here:

http://nflminds.blogspot.com/2011/06/adjusted-net-yards-per-passing-attempt_20.html

Right now Ryan Tannehill's adjusted net yards per pass attempt is 27th in the league.
 
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