Tell me where Ryan Tannehill had such a bad 1st half

[sharp]

except you ran it very well against the league's best rush D. You CAN run, your OC chooses not to for some reason.



I don't really like the NBA, I'm more of a guy who follows former Heels in the NBA though I do want to see the Knicks and Nets win. when Lebron goes back to Cleveland you guys can go back into hiding again

Yikes, thats a pretty weak post. Your a Knicks and Nets fan? Stop talking NBA

I'm not even going to respond to your response to this post, seeing how your active here for some reason fighting another sport because your main one is now irrelevant...

Many fans on this site are national and consistently hate on the local fan base, easily making it a free for all on the heat and lebron. Going back to Kyrie and Waiters beef in terrible cleveland? For that owner, for what he said? The kid grew up in akron hating cleveland... Hes going for NBA dominance, but please try to gain a rise on the forum.

I'm not even going to go in on the running game, its not consistent at all, thats just you taking what little ammo you have and firing it.

 

[FinHopeful]

It has taken a while for me to have time to review some of the first half. He actually played better than the initial eyeball evaluation suggests. I am actually very encouraged by the reason he looked awkward at times. It is clear that the coaching staff spent time working on moving in the pocket. Watching the taped game, Ryan seemed uncomfortable with the shuffling. It looked like he was in position to deliver the ball but did not pull the trigger. That can happen when you make changes. In my humble opinion, this is why he did not throw the ball to Hartline in the end zone near the end of the first drive. He seemed just uncomfortable enough that he pull it down and ran with the ball.

I expect him to become more comfortable after moving the pocket. This could pay huge dividends during these four games.

 

[royalshank]

He didn't get us in the EZ when we had like 17 first downs to 1 or something. Missed Marlon Moore deep. Missed Hartline deep on 4th and 1. Missed Clay in the EZ. Pulled the ball down instead of dealing it to Hartline deep. Basically didn't make any game-changing plays. He had a good game overall though and I like how he responded to the missed opportunities. That said, the deep ball remains a concern.

 

[Atila]

Wilson has been pressured WAY more than Tannehill.

The bottom line is that nobody can deny that tannehill has the tools. He just doesn't have the "IT" factor. At least not yet. As many good throws as he makes. He makes as many head scratching throws.

We have been down this road for many many years. We've gotten excited about this guy or that.

Tannehill will get another season. Doesn't mean I still wouldn't draft another QB.

Comparing Tannehill to Wilson is putting the guy in a losing battle from the beginning. You are comparing him to a player, who although was from the same draft class, has an excellent running game and great coaching. This whole, "he doesn't have IT factor" is such garbage and one person can see it one way ("he passes the eye test!") and another can see it the other way ("he doesn't have it!"). The fact is he can make all the throws and has shown success even with all the factors going against him (piss poor coaching, piss poor half time adjustments, piss poor OL, piss poor play selection).

You say that Tannehill can make all the throws but also makes some head scratchers... the problem is they are asking him to be a volume passer, as a 2nd year quarterback, with no balance in the offense, and a mediocre OL. Most of the throws Wilson makes are in quality situations... his throws come in measured steps. Miami is asking Tannehill to throw 40+ times and that is not a recipe for victory... not because he can't make the throws, or because he isn't a good quarterback, because it signifies we are putting too much pressure on side of our offense.

Balance the attack more and call stronger plays and you will see a night and day difference. The tools and the potential are there, he has what it takes, we just need to put in a good situation to succeed.


And by the way, everyone who always hates on shouright, he actually doesn't necessarily always hate on Tannehill, he just thinks the guy needs to be throwing the ball less - which I fully 100% agree with.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

We had the ball virtually the entire first half and Milliner was trembling out there. Any of the elite quarterbacks would have abused that weakness alone for a couple of touchdowns, the way that first half unfolded.

For all the talk that Tannehill lacks help, Hartline has turned into one of the most clever receivers in the league, IMO. Do you realize how dangerous he would be if Brady were throwing to him? With all those double moves? Scary.

Tannehill is very impressive with the mid range line drive darts. Those plays bail us out all the time, often on third down. He has nice pace on those throws and his arm strength is excellent.

On virtually every other type of throw, Tannehill is average to considerably below average. How can it be a surprise when he misses Clay on a touch pass? Or that the majority of the deeper balls are anywhere except where they need to be? At this point the sample size is considerable. IMO, we should stop pretending and make greater use of those short to midrange darts. They unfold best from under center and with play action.

With Daniel Thomas out and Lamar Miller forced to carry the ball on short yardage and goal line situations, his yards per carry will naturally drop. That's inevitable. His yards per carry has been significantly above his ability level so far in his career, due to the coddled situations he's been handed the ball.

 

[nyjunc]

I can only hope the Jets keep Sanchez in the mix next year,I cant see them spending that kind of money on him.

Whats worse than the Sanchez and Tebow show is the Geno and Sanchez show,coming to towns near you in 2014.

I hope so, the only way is if he re-signs after he is released for a huge pay cut BUT if rex is back it is at least a possibility.

College football stadiums are not mostly filled with students for college football games eh? Hmm....wow.

most big time schools hold 80,000-1000,000+. what schools have that many current students? students have sections where thousands show up but the majority of the buildings are w/ alums, reg fans, locals, etc...

Yikes, thats a pretty weak post. Your a Knicks and Nets fan? Stop talking NBA

I'm not even going to respond to your response to this post, seeing how your active here for some reason fighting another sport because your main one is now irrelevant...

Many fans on this site are national and consistently hate on the local fan base, easily making it a free for all on the heat and lebron. Going back to Kyrie and Waiters beef in terrible cleveland? For that owner, for what he said? The kid grew up in akron hating cleveland... Hes going for NBA dominance, but please try to gain a rise on the forum.

I'm not even going to go in on the running game, its not consistent at all, thats just you taking what little ammo you have and firing it.

I am not a Knicks and Nets fan, NBA basketball is terrible. I want to see them win but I don't care.

 

[slk018]

read my above post....it says my point was even elite qbs who been in the league 10+ years have bad halfs and bad games. tannehills in his second year, I expect ups and downs because I knew and understood he was raw when we drafted him.

I agree, but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass from people pointing out it was a bad half

 

[Gonzo]

read my above post....it says my point was even elite qbs who been in the league 10+ years have bad halfs and bad games. tannehills in his second year, I expect ups and downs because I knew and understood he was raw when we drafted him.

So we shouldn't discuss it? You don't think Pats fans are over on their board talking about how Brady had a bad half? Hell, they probably have a few extremists who say he's on the decline (every board has them and they don't speak for "everybody.")

Tannehill had a bad half. It's fine. The world is not ending. A bad half doesn't mean he's a bust. But that doesn't change the FACT that he had a bad half. We're not all haters drinking haterade on hater island, or whatever the upper middle class suburban kids say these days, just because we want to discuss it. This is a discussion board. The key term in that is "discussion."

That being said, I couldn't care less about a bad half. I'm more concerned about his deep ball and pocket presense, in which I've seen little to no improvement. Are we allowed to discuss that, or is he the perfect QB?

 

[Phindog]

Drive 5 where we started at midfield where I listed as Ryan's worse drive....Whats wrong with this picture...anyone?



1st and 10 at MIA 46 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to C.Clay pushed ob at NYJ 44 for 10 yards (D.Landry).
1st and 10 at NYJ 44 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short right to C.Clay.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 44 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to C.Clay to NYJ 16 for 28 yards (D.Milliner; E.Reed).
1st and 10 at NYJ 16 (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to B.Hartline.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 16 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to B.Hartline (D.Milliner).
3rd and 10 at NYJ 16 R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep right to M.Wallace.
4th and 10 at NYJ 16 C.Sturgis 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Denney, Holder-B.Fields. 3 0

 

[nyjunc]

Drive 5 where we started at midfield where I listed as Ryan's worse drive....Whats wrong with this picture...anyone?



1st and 10 at MIA 46 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to C.Clay pushed ob at NYJ 44 for 10 yards (D.Landry).
1st and 10 at NYJ 44 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short right to C.Clay.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 44 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to C.Clay to NYJ 16 for 28 yards (D.Milliner; E.Reed).
1st and 10 at NYJ 16 (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to B.Hartline.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 16 (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to B.Hartline (D.Milliner).
3rd and 10 at NYJ 16 R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep right to M.Wallace.
4th and 10 at NYJ 16 C.Sturgis 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Denney, Holder-B.Fields. 3 0

what's wrong is there isn't a picture, it's a list so we have no idea what happened on each play.

 

[tay0365]

Not that i care about the Jets or Sanchez, but he DID take them to the playoffs. As much as he sucks now, I would hold off until Tannehill does the same.

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Bull****. Wilson made PLAYS.

Actually he didn't take them to the playoffs, but he was along for the ride the running game and defense gave him....not to mention the {Pass GO, Collect an easy Playoff birth} given to them by the Colts and Bengals in 09.

 

[Nawledge]

So we shouldn't discuss it? You don't think Pats fans are over on their board talking about how Brady had a bad half? Hell, they probably have a few extremists who say he's on the decline (every board has them and they don't speak for "everybody.")

Tannehill had a bad half. It's fine. The world is not ending. A bad half doesn't mean he's a bust. But that doesn't change the FACT that he had a bad half. We're not all haters drinking haterade on hater island, or whatever the upper middle class suburban kids say these days, just because we want to discuss it. This is a discussion board. The key term in that is "discussion."

That being said, I couldn't care less about a bad half. I'm more concerned about his deep ball and pocket presense, in which I've seen little to no improvement. Are we allowed to discuss that, or is he the perfect QB?

that was what I was saying for the most part, that its not the end of the world and it happens. I have no problem with it being discussed but a lot of people are going a little bit overboard. that's all I was trying to say.

 

[tay0365]

through 2 years mark had 4 playoff wins, let's see Ryan do that.

He'll get another shot somewhere.

Well, to this point, Ryan much better in the regular season....the playoffs still to be determined (Got a feeling unlike the over his head QB on Jersey), if Ryan is give the same tough D, and hard running, he will get Miami past the championship game.

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um, the D is carrying Ryan this year in case you haven't noticed, your last 3 wins and 5 of your 6 have been from the D playing really well.

LT had a great first month in 2010 and was awful the rest of the year.

LT games 1-5: 76-435, 5.7 YPC, 3 TDs
LT games 6-15(sat out game 16): 143-479, 3.3 YPC, 3 TDs

by the way, Mark put his team on his back in numerous wins that year- at Miami, at den, at Cle, at Det, vs. Hou,...

Stats mean nothing....right?

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Mark Sanchez playoff wins in 4 seasons(2009-2012): 4
Miami dolphins playoff wins 18 seasons(1995-2012): 3

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OL is decent, run game is fine. Miami just gives up on the run too quickly.

More stats.....Junc, don't forget you hate stats.

 

[nyjunc]

Well, to this point, Ryan much better in the regular season....the playoffs still to be determined (Got a feeling unlike the over his head QB on Jersey), if Ryan is give the same tough D, and hard running, he will get Miami past the championship game.

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Stats mean nothing....right?

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More stats.....Junc, don't forget you hate stats.

stats mean something, not everything and stats w/o context don't tell us much.

Ryan hasn't been better in the reg season. mark was better as a 1st-3rd yr QB, Ryan has been better than year 4 Mark who had the worst weapons in the league plus Sparano and tebow just for fun.

 

[Jamaicankid21]

He flat missed Clay in the end zone. He missed Hartline down the field. I think he was trying to throw a back shoulder pass, but he missed it. Either that, or it was a miscommunication. In either case, bad play when we needed a good one. He elected not to pull the trigger when Hartline was open deep on a post.

He didn't have a good first half. That said, I think the fact that he had a bad half and it wasn't terrible is a sign of progress in and of itself. His floor is rising, IMO.

I'm not sure why he didn't throw that pass. I rewatched the replay a couple of times. He was going to throw it, right when Hartline was out of his break but decided not too. Then he ran for 5 yards instead. I'm not sure he didn't like the chance of the throw or what. I thought he could have got it to Hartline if he threw it but if the DB turned around it could have been a pick too because there wasn't that much separation for Hartline either.