The Book On Ryan Tannehill (parts 1 And 2) - Comprehensive Scouting Report

[The Goat]

Critical or unfavorable opinions on Ryan Tannehill should not trigger this much sensitivity lmao

He’s Ryan friggin Tannehill

If he's only Ryan Friggin Tannehill, and opinions about him should be so meaningless...

...why do you feel compelled to chime in negatively, and try to denigrate any positives, in every single thread involving him?

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Beacuse you like stats look up who #8 is:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

And every time he threw for over 200 yards in a playoff game, they lost. As I said, he was drafted into an offense that was run focused and supported by a strong defense.

 

[LargoFin]

When you get a guy like Sanchez, who takes you to title games, is top 10 all time in playoff QBR, you dont mess that up! You put organizational support around him, you extend him, and you roll for more SB runs. The Jets messed it up.

But, when you don’t have that QB, you stay vigilant, alert, and if one drops to you in the draft or FA, you go for it and open the new four-year window, immediately, diligently with that QB.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

When you get a guy like Sanchez, who takes you to title games, is top 10 all time in playoff QBR, you dont mess that up! You put organizational support around him, you extend him, and you roll for more SB runs. The Jets messed it up.

But, when you don’t have that QB, you stay vigilant, alert, and if one drops to you in the draft or FA, you go for it and open the new four-year window, immediately, diligently with that QB.

LOL. Welcome back junc.

Sanchez has had years to demonstrate his superiority with another team.

 

[The Goat]

We had good coaches who could not only drsft a promissing QB, but also develop him. We have a QB today because that regime found him, drafted him, and developed him. And I think those are facts rather than my opinions. That regime actually did that and Tannehill actually did develop under them, in each season he made significant strides. And part of that was having Mike Sherman here in the beginning.

That indicates a good organization Stephen Ross put together. We are that.

What are you talking about?

Which...WHAT good coaching staff? The coordinator who implemented "Go" for run plays and "Go go" for pass plays? The Head Coach who wanted to bail out on him and undermined him in 2014? Or the coordinator who refused to allow him to audible? Or did you mean the entire freaking enchilada that was completely incapable of even REMOTELY protecting him with any semblance of an offensive line from 2012 through 2015?

I get it if you don't like Tannehill. He's far from perfect. But saying that this organization developed him is laughable. They were supposed to put him in situations to succeed...and they did the opposite.

His development wasn't because of the regimes he was under. It was in spite of it.

 

[The Goat]

When you get a guy like Sanchez, who takes you to title games, is top 10 all time in playoff QBR, you dont mess that up! You put organizational support around him, you extend him, and you roll for more SB runs. The Jets messed it up.

But, when you don’t have that QB, you stay vigilant, alert, and if one drops to you in the draft or FA, you go for it and open the new four-year window, immediately, diligently with that QB.

I, for one, am proud of Sanchez. When you head-butt someone's ass that hard on national TV, and are still able show your face in public, you're a warrior.

 

[LargoFin]

Maybe that regime was too stiff, didnt let them snort coke with entertainers, in the building.
But facts speak, they got the QB developed. Stats are on the web, check them out.

 

[The Goat]

Maybe that regime was too stiff, didnt let them snort coke with entertainers, in the building.
But facts speak, they got the QB developed. Stats are on the web, check them out.

You're going to refer to that staff as "too stiff" when Queasy Joe's highest priority seemed to be keeping his immediate surroundings free of gum wrappers?

And which stats are you referring to? The sacks? The dropped passes? Or the FACT that an an unusually high percentage of his "supporting staff" from 2012-2015 is currently either unemployed by the NFL or has greatly diminished roles?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Maybe that regime was too stiff, didnt let them snort coke with entertainers, in the building.
But facts speak, they got the QB developed. Stats are on the web, check them out.

I will give credit to Lazor as a QB coach. That is the level he should have been hired at. Tannehill did develop from 2012 to 2015. He also, IMO, developed more in the first 5 weeks of 2016 than he did in the 4 years under Failbin.

 

[The Goat]

I will give credit to Lazor as a QB coach. That is the level he should have been hired at. Tannehill did develop from 2012 to 2015. He also, IMO, developed more in the first 5 weeks of 2016 than he did in the 4 years under Failbin.

I believe that Lazor was an excellent QB coach. I also believe that he learned very bad habits from Chip Kelly, one in particular was an adamant refusal to adapt. Watch the end of his run with the Fins...defenses knew what plays were coming almost every time. It was ridiculous, and Lazor refused to change what he was doing.

 

[LargoFin]

This year they can get the new four yr window, they can the QB in the draft.

Next year, they need to get a HC, new staff. They should’ve done it this year. They should hire a college coach.

A HC must have a track record as a head coach of winning, having good staffs, through the years, developing QBs, and having great defnses. That’s the complex critera. An we do not have that.

We have a guy who has no track record, never head coached, does not meet the criteria. We go to other stadiums, face better staffs and wonder why we lose.

Examples of college head cosches with that track record are Chris Petersen, Mark Richt.
Examples of head coaches who do not meet the criteria are Saban, Meyers, Kelly. They dont develop QBs.

So those are good head coaches, who csn do those four things, assemble great staff, develop QBs, build great defense, and win. They can coach anywhere.
We need to get that, asap. That’s having standards. Right now they are winging it and messing around. Not taking football seriously. Next yr!

But this draft, just a phenom QB will suffice.

 

[The Goat]

This year they can get the new four yr window, they can the QB in the draft.

Next year, they need to get a HC, new staff. They should’ve done it this year. They should hire a college coach.

A HC must have a track record as a head coach of winning, having good staffs, through the years, developing QBs, and having great defnses. That’s the complex critera. An we do not have that.

We have a guy who has no track record, never head coached, does not meet the criteria. We go to other stadiums, face better staffs and wonder why we lose.

Examples of college head cosches with that track record are Chris Petersen, Mark Richt.
Examples of head coaches who do not meet the criteria are Saban, Meyers, Kelly. They dont develop QBs.

So those are good head coaches, who csn do those four things, assemble great staff, develop QBs, build great defense, and win. They can coach anywhere.
We need to get that, asap. That’s having standards. Right now they are winging it and messing around. Not taking football seriously. Next yr!

But this draft, just a phenom QB will suffice.

So basically you want to hire Chip Kelly, not Doug Pederson?

 

[Fins1971]

Actually there's so much to refute here, my head could explode. So other than saying that Philbin cost us games on the field and as a control freak getting rid of leaders, when you have a HC who practices nepotism refusing to fire his butt buddy Sherman, and then keeping an inept QBC who happened to be Sherman's SIL in place, until he was threatened with the loss of his own job, he was far from an even average HC. And entrusting the development of a raw QB, our most important asset to an inexperienced Zach Taylor who would be some team's equipment mgr if not for his SIL was completely irresponsible if not outright malfeasance.

Now on to Buttfumble. He might have turned into a decent QB if the Jets listened to Pete Carroll, the coach who knew him best and thought he needed more college seasoning. He had a decent 2010 where his stats were at least top 14 or so, but as the Jets best field coach, Mike Westhoff declared, he was along for the playoff rides, he sure wasn't driving the bus.

And 2009 was such a gift by 2 teams, an undefeated Indy and Cinci who decided to pull their starters, Indy while they were ahead, inserting Curtis Painter, the same guy who got them Luck in the draft.. that the league actually changed their scheduling rules as a result of that. They were a 7-7 team on a losing streak before the gifting and really if we had faced Indy and Cinci, Henne could have been the one winning those accolades!

And winning that playoff game against SD? Sanchez completed about 50% of his passes, had an abysmal 61 QBR, had 1 TD and 1 Int, threw for 101 or so yards and was bailed out because the SD kicker choked on 3 kicks, 2 which were gimmes. The real game they had to win before charity was at the very cold Meadowlands against a dome team already eliminated, the Falcons and all Sanchez could muster was 17 points and only because Greene busted a 51yd run for a TD.

Sanchez's accuracy over his Jets career was the lowest for a starting QB since JaMarcus Russell. He sucked period so to me that in of itself impugns your judgment! If you really think he suffered from the Jets incompetence but Tannehill should have thrived under Slow Joe Philbin and his nepotistic buddies, then really we couldn't be further away from any agreement.

Wow an actual post from you that doesn’t include urinany tract issues and accuracy stats from someone who props up your hero. I’m impressed. Keep it up and you might actually cintribute to the conversation rather than trying to run off anyone who differs from your opinion.

 

[LargoFin]

So basically you want to hire Chip Kelly, not Doug Pederson?

Re read. I said Kelly does not meet the criteria.
Doug Pederson at least did not skip steps in life. He head coached, a champiochip team. And apprenticed as assistant to one of the greats, Andy Reid. But he went to head coach, to get that experience.

 

[malok]

This year they can get the new four yr window, they can the QB in the draft.

Next year, they need to get a HC, new staff. They should’ve done it this year. They should hire a college coach.

A HC must have a track record as a head coach of winning, having good staffs, through the years, developing QBs, and having great defnses. That’s the complex critera. An we do not have that.

We have a guy who has no track record, never head coached, does not meet the criteria. We go to other stadiums, face better staffs and wonder why we lose.

Examples of college head cosches with that track record are Chris Petersen, Mark Richt.
Examples of head coaches who do not meet the criteria are Saban, Meyers, Kelly. They dont develop QBs.

So those are good head coaches, who csn do those four things, assemble great staff, develop QBs, build great defense, and win. They can coach anywhere.
We need to get that, asap. That’s having standards. Right now they are winging it and messing around. Not taking football seriously. Next yr!

But this draft, just a phenom QB will suffice.

Kinda like the most recent Superbowl coaches who had exactly what for college coaching experience?

Definitely good plan to get rid of a coach a year after he made the playoffs. Worked swimmingly for the browns. I'm sure they don't regret Belichick go those many years ago...

You've got this all figured out, don't ya...