the hooded one miss out on draft class

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That's because Belichek is overrated. Hasn't drafted well since Pioli left. Supposed to be a defensive guy but hasn't put together a good defense since all the original stars that led them to Superbowls left. That team is ****ed once Brady retires, hopefully soon...

 

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no wide receivers??? you mean draft pick wide receivers??? or just their receivers in general??? welker branch chad ocho is just about as good as any other 1-3 in the league(this is not even factoring in gronk/hernandez)

LOL at Branch, Ochocinco, and Welker being as good as any 1-3 in the league. Branch is garbage, only looks good in that system, which is evident by his time in Seattle. And even then, he's only had more than 60 catches once in his career, and never surpassed 1,000 yards, with 5 TD's in a season being his most. Ochocinco is done. He'll probably put up decent stats in that system, but again, anybody will. Welker is the best slot WR in the league.

 

[CleatMarks]

BB is smart enough to cut players quickly if they aren't going to be long term investments. As far as the 2007 draft goes, they Patriots were a hair away from 19-0. How many rookies do you think were going to make that squad? I've followed him long before he was with the Patriots and he's the real thing. Deny it all you want but you're showing yourself to be dumb when you say that. Ask any coach in the league if he's overrated. Ask any player who's played for him. When the emotions calm down, they will tell you to a man how smart he is. Ever see an ex-player say he was overrated? Even guys who left like Ty Law and were bitching about him as they walked out the door are hanging out trying to get a one day contract to retire as Patriots. If you don't believe the record, believe the players because they all look back with fond memories about BB. Even Ted Johnson loves BB and no one was more critical than him.

 

[tay0365]

keep convincing yo9ur self of that

Your right dlockz, the Pats are great with or without Brady, and Miami took the AFC east title from a great team in 2008...Thanks :up:

 

[NorFlaFin]

Bill BilaCheat is always one-step ahead of the curve.

Running a spread offense while the rest of the NFL is still a power run, throw to the TE
Or
Running a vestile 3-4 while everybody else is trying a version of the 4-3

give 'Cheat his due he played the rest of the NFL like a beaten drum.

 

[BillyD0123]

Average coach?

Post the so called spygate
Just a good coach? 2007 & 2010 BB was coach of the year.
BTW BB's worst drafts were with Piolli at GM
Last year BB picked runner ups for O & D player of the year.
Not bad for and average coach.
Post spygate BB's had seasons of 14-2, 12-4, 16-0
& 11-5 with a QB that never started a college game.
Put TFB on the Phins and Henne on the Patriots and BB would still kick your ***.

Since Piolo left and Spygate Bill looks like just a good coach, not some hall of fame coach.

The man is still good, but IMO it has become obvious he was not this genius everyone made him out to be. Easy to succeed when you have arguably the best GM in the game and a future HOF QB.

Can't blame him for what he was given, he made it work. But I see no genius, just a good coach

 

[dlockz]

Your right dlockz, the Pats are great with or without Brady, and Miami took the AFC east title from a great team in 2008...Thanks :up:

they were still damn good with an untested qb, if people want to believe its all brady fine but bb has shown he can get more out of his players than others unlike our idiot coach

 

[PJack]

Post the so called spygate
Just a good coach? 2007 & 2010 BB was coach of the year.
BTW BB's worst drafts were with Piolli at GM
Last year BB picked runner ups for O & D player of the year.
Not bad for and average coach.
Post spygate BB's had seasons of 14-2, 12-4, 16-0
& 11-5 with a QB that never started a college game.
Put TFB on the Phins and Henne on the Patriots and BB would still kick your ***.

You were making good points up until here. Sparano has been poor to this point but swap Henne for Brady and even Sparano looks good. Apparently you haven't seen Henne play the last two years. As much as I hate Bellicheck, only a moron doesn't see a great coach there. However, if you think Brady doesn't give you at least +3 or 4 wins every year, you know nothing about football. He's a top 5-10 QB in the history of the NFL.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Post the so called spygate
Just a good coach? 2007 & 2010 BB was coach of the year.
BTW BB's worst drafts were with Piolli at GM
Last year BB picked runner ups for O & D player of the year.
Not bad for and average coach.
Post spygate BB's had seasons of 14-2, 12-4, 16-0
& 11-5 with a QB that never started a college game.
Put TFB on the Phins and Henne on the Patriots and BB would still kick your ***.

Funny, cause the 1 year without Brady Miami beat NE and won the division while Bill watched the Playoffs from home. Your point is invalid due to the fact that FACTS show without Brady the Pats didn't look so great and missed the playoffs

I never said he was average by the way

 

[Phinatic8u]

Scott Pioli built that team.

 

[dlockz]

Well I guess shula was nothing special because he never won a superbowl without Griese. Same with Bill Walsh with Montanna. Lombardi with Starr, Landry with Staubach, Noll with Bradshaw.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Well I guess shula was nothing special because he never won a superbowl without Griese. Same with Bill Walsh with Montanna. Lombardi with Starr, Landry with Staubach, Noll with Bradshaw.

Well, since Spygate they have become a very beatable team. Bellichek doesn't seem to be as brilliant as he once as. Is still a dang good coach. It's just I think a fair debate to wonder just how good he was and or is without Brady.. Those other coaches had winning systems.

Bellichek didn't win until he got Tom Brady. So it's a fair argument.

But I will atleast argue it is perspective. Because I am one who belIeves Brady is a system QB. The best system QB in the league mind you. So one could argue that Bellicheks system made Brady. It was Bledsoe who won the game that got them to their 1st SB and it was Cassel who still led them to a typical Pats season up to that point.

You have to admit, regardless of there regular season records the Pats have become beatable and no longer feared since Spygate. NO one can deny that.

That doesn;t make him average. It doesn't make him "nothing special" but it does open the door to speculate and seriously wonder just how good Bellichek actually is.

I would still take him on my team right now. But he wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[dlockz]

Well, since Spygate they have become a very beatable team. Bellichek doesn't seem to be as brilliant as he once as. Is still a dang good coach. It's just I think a fair debate to wonder just how good he was and or is without Brady.. Those other coaches had winning systems.

Bellichek didn't win until he got Tom Brady. So it's a fair argument.

But I will atleast argue it is perspective. Because I am one who belIeves Brady is a system QB. The best system QB in the league mind you. So one could argue that Bellicheks system made Brady. It was Bledsoe who won the game that got them to their 1st SB and it was Cassel who still led them to a typical Pats season up to that point.

You have to admit, regardless of there regular season records the Pats have become beatable and no longer feared since Spygate. NO one can deny that.

That doesn;t make him average. It doesn't make him "nothing special" but it does open the door to speculate and seriously wonder just how good Bellichek actually is.

I would still take him on my team right now. But he wouldn't be my first choice.

I guess people miss that The Pats are not superbly talented . He is among the best coaches ever and is still winning. Just like I said u could make the same arguement against any of these coaches without these qb's

 

[GRYPHONK]

I guess people miss that The Pats are not superbly talented . He is among the best coaches ever and is still winning. Just like I said u could make the same arguement against any of these coaches without these qb's

Which is why I said it' perspective.

Do you deny since Spygate, that teams now know they can beat the Pats and they don't fear the Pats anymore?

You say they aren't superbly talented yet they always had a great defense with stars a great special teams and they have one of the best O-lines in Football for 10 years now.

They are still winning sure. But the idea that they don't need stars has caught up to them.

If you look at their team they have a star at almost every position. They are more talented then people seem t want to give them credit for

When they were winning SB'S they were a defensive team with a solid Running game.

Since Bellichek has gotten cute on offense and gone spread they have done nothng but win regular season games. So one could use that to say that he isn't all that and a bag of chips.

When a coach changes the philosophy of a SB team and suddenly they can't win it anymore, can he really be a genius coach? I didn't realize changing a winning formula to a flashy formula that doesn't win meaningful games was genius

 

[dlockz]

Which is why I said it' perspective.

Do you deny since Spygate, that teams now know they can beat the Pats and they don't fear the Pats anymore?

You say they aren't superbly talented yet they always had a great defense with stars a great special teams and they have one of the best O-lines in Football for 10 years now.

They are still winning sure. But the idea that they don't need stars has caught up to them.

If you look at their team they have a star at almost every position. They are more talented then people seem t want to give them credit for

They went 16-0 after spygate and only lost in superbowl because of a miracle catch. They had the best record in the NFL last year and are favored to win it all this year. Dont see how they are so less feared.
Cant win it every year. Belichek has taken players that were basically scrubs or average elsewhere and turned them into productive players. Hell Don Shula had the best qb of all time and couldnt win a superbowl with him.