The puzzling thing about this season

[Spiff]

I get the Grier thing as he’s been a part of the problem for the past several years, but the coaching staff is definitely too early to pass an informed judgement on. Notice how I said informed in that the deck was stacked against them from the beginning and we don’t really have enough data points to have a strong opinion on them one way or another at this early stage, that’s only my opinion, but I think this coaching staff has a chance to actually be quite good, but they will have to prove that in the future. In any case, way to early to form such a strong opinion on them one way or another.

Why? Why should we give the coaching staff a pass for this year? Because of the crap roster they have to work with? Who says it’s the players? The coaches could be just as bad but we’re not giving the players the same leeway.

 

[vcip]

win in 2 or 3 years starting with zero talent and very non impressive GM & coaching?

 

[ChrisTRD]

I have very little to no faith in this coaching staff and in Grier. Which really sucks considering the potential future this team has. We are the new Cleveland Browns, the joke of the league. And it was all self destruction. With these clowns we have running the show they legitimately probably don't have a clear plan in place. Just making it up as they go.

Ah from the looks of it, the Browns are still the Browns. They were talking Super Bowl.... they are 2-5. Mayfield is literally shuffle passing INT's these days.

 

[1972forever]

What amazes me about this season more than anything else is some of the fans on this board’s reaction to it. I’ve seen posts by people who act like we can change direction suddenly after going 0 and 7, still in denial or unaccepting of the decision the front office has made in terms of their strategy it’s amazing. I’ve got news for you, the Front office stripped this roster down, traded whatever value they could to acquire more assets and cap space in the future, and we aren’t going to know how it’s going to turn out until the next couple of years And we are going to have a top 2 or 3 draft pick unless something really crazy happens.

In the meantime, many people have a high regard for Tua Tagavailoa and feel like he would be the number 1 pick regardless of what you think about Chase Young, a franchise QB like Tua would likely be the top pick. Having said all of that, we may win a couple of games. We could beat the jets or bengals potentially if we figure out how to play an entire 60 minutes of football and not end up with the first overall pick.

To some that would be a disaster and I kind of feel that way, although there are a few other very solid prospects in this draft that could also turn out to be solid franchise Qb’s, you never know and we have plenty of draft capital to get a good one which brings me to my next point. In the last 3 weeks this team has really demonstrated a lot of improvement in my opinion. A lot of that is schematically defensively to compensate for our lack of front 7 pressure and the Oline has improved even though it is still on the lower tier, there are a couple of players who have started to show something. In truth, considering what the coaching staff has to work with, I think they have really done a good job under adverse and difficult circumstances. They are clearly trying to win, and the team is playing hard. Some players are developing like Preston Williams, Davante Parker, Mike Geisiki, Evan Boehm, Taco Charlton, Vince Biegel, Godchaux, etc. So, that’s promising and good to see which leads us to Ryan Fitzpatrick. At first I didn’t see the point of starting him, but I’ve got to be honest. I love this dude. How can you not root for him? The ridiculous beard, all of it. We may see more of Rosen later in the season, but he doesn’t look like he is ready so that is what it is, but Fitzpatrick has some heart and I hope he’s on the team next year to help develop the future QB.

My point in this long babbling diatribe is that this team wasn’t designed to win this year, get over it. The coaches and players are coaching and playing hard, and I for one am actually enjoying this season as crazy as that may seem because I am optimistic about the future, and the coaching staff has shown some real potential with coaching up the offensive line which has guards playing tackles, etc., some intersting things schematically defensively to deal with our lack of pass rush, and some players are developing and playing hard. If we win, then that’s a great job by the coaching staff and the team, and if we lose that just takes us one step closer to getting the highest draft pick possible. I say, let the chips fall where they may, and I myself am intrigued to see how it all turns out. If they win I will cheer for them and if they lose I will be confident in our march towards the future. Oddly, I feel at peace, and am less frustrated than I have been during decades worth of mediocrity where we won more and my expectations were higher and probably unrealistic.

I agree that the Dolphins will likely draft Tua if he enters the draft and they have the first pick in the draft. That is exactly why I hope the Bengals get the first pick and they draft Tua.
I would much rather draft Young and then use our others two first round picks and possibly a second round pick to trade up and draft Burrow.

Tua might turn out to be a good NFL QB, but he is too injury prone to take a chance of drafting him first overall, IMO. The reality is that in the games Tua has been out due to injury at Alabama, the offense has played fine without him.

 

[circumstances]

There is a common saying in boxing that goes like this...

You don't train for a Knock Out, you train to go the full 12 rounds

because if you think you're getting an easy KO, you DON'T train as hard and MENTALLY you are not as prepared.

I think the 'Tanking' 4 Tua approach is similar.

I mean, JJ made it work, but JJ was a Hall of Fame College coach and he was a MASTER draft guru.

Florez is NOT a Hall of fame College Coach,

and much as I like him, Greir has shown absolutely NO hint of a sign of being a draft guru.

Just because they have a boatload of draft picks doesn't mean that they will pick the right guys

or coach & develop them the right way.

The most disappointing thing to me, is that even when they draft the right guys,

in the past they have totally flunked out in the 'Coaching & developing talent' category.

Good coaches and good GMs don't look for the easy KO.

Other than JJ, who else in the NFL HALL OF FAME has made that approach work out?

That "draft guru" couldn't draft an offensive player to save his life when he was here.

 

[E30M3]

I have very little to no faith in this coaching staff and in Grier. Which really sucks considering the potential future this team has. We are the new Cleveland Browns, the joke of the league. And it was all self destruction. With these clowns we have running the show they legitimately probably don't have a clear plan in place. Just making it up as they go.

Really? None of us had any idea you felt that way.

 

[Kyndig]

Agreed. The whole problem with tanking though is it doesnt work.

Browns? Indy?

Watch us draft Tua and he turns intona crybaby and leaves.

It may or may not work. Having watched football for about 45 years I have come to the realization that successful franchises are build around these 3 things. And 2 out of three is enough for sustainable winning, but 3 out of the 3 is rare, and something we all seek.

1. An elite franchise quarterback.

2. A coaching staff that is good at developing players and creating schemes offensively, defensively, and sometimes both that give their teams an advantage.

3. A front office that is good at brining in players both through the draft and free agency that fit the systems that the coaching staff has installed.

By blowing everything up we have the best chance we have had in a long time to get an elite franchise qb and surround him with the pieces he needs to succeed. So that would take care of 1 if we can pick The best QB in this draft.

The coaching staff has an incomplete grade right now, but I have seen some things in the past few weeks that are promising from the standpoint of winning downs schematically and player development on both sides of the ball. So maybe we are set here.

The front office has done a good job tearing this down, now they have to prove that they can build it up and pick the correct players that fit into what the coaching staff is trying to accomplish. We certainly have the ammo.

It’ll be very interesting to see how this plays out. There are teams who have been really bad and turned it around quickly. Maybe not in Exactly the way we have done it, but the opportunity is certainly there.

 

[tcdrover]

That "draft guru" couldn't draft an offensive player to save his life when he was here.

I understand you are a fan of the Dolphins...

He isn't in the Hall of Fame because of ANYTHING he did with the Dolphins.

I shouldn't have to mention that, it should be OBVIOUS.

He's in the Hall of fame because of what he did with the Cowboys.

Actually, you kind of made the same point I was making.

The draft isn't a sure fire thing...

EVEN when a GM KNOWS what he is doing.

He was killing the draft in large part because he knew the college players from his days at UM.

Florez & Grier don't have that kind of hands on knowledge.

 

[Kyndig]

I don’t think Tua is the only QB on their radar. I think he is an NFL ready prospect that will certainly have success in the right system. However, the QB class this year has a lot of potential, so you’d hope they were doing their due diligence on all the top guys. If they could walk away with Chase Young AND the QB they wanted...dream scenario.

Look, I'm not a scout or anything, but I have been watching all of the Tua, Herbert, Frohm, and Love's games, and I've just started tuning into Joe Burrow this season, and what I will say is that up until this point Tua looks to be the best of that bunch from a total package standpoint and the most sure thing as sure of a thing as a 1st round QB can be anyways. I know I'm not alone in that assessment just as I know that that is not a universal assessment amongst the fans. I will also say that Herbert, Love, Burrow, Frohm, and even Eason all look like promising prospects and it would surprise me if more than 1 of them didn't also turn out to be solid franchise Qb's in the NFL.

I'm sure the front office is doing their homework on all of them, and if we failed to get Tua, but got Chase Young with our first pick, and then something like Herbert or Love, or maybe even Burrow (although not sure about him yet), then that would also be interesting and not a bad consolation prize as whatever QB we take is going to require good coaching and the right pieces put around him, and if we manage to do that, then perhaps not only Tua could succeed under those circumstances, but maybe one of the other prospects could to. Tua just seems like the safest bet to me and the closest thing to a Russell Wilson since Russell Wilson with his intangibles, accuracy, timing, mobility, etc. But, we'll see...

 

[Phishstix]

That "draft guru" couldn't draft an offensive player to save his life when he was here.

"We're on the clock & Randy Moss is still on the board? Let's trade down- Larry Shannon is just as good."

 

[Kyndig]

Why? Why should we give the coaching staff a pass for this year? Because of the crap roster they have to work with? Who says it’s the players? The coaches could be just as bad but we’re not giving the players the same leeway.

Because they traded away most of their best players and churned over about 1/3 of the roster 1 week before the opening kick off , so yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good reason. As for the players, many of them wouldn't even bee on NFL rosters, or wouldn't be starting, or would be on the practice squad, and that's a fact, because we got them off of the dumpster.

So yes, I don't expect much of those players, and yes, I think under those circumstances it's far to early to give a definitive grade on the coaching staff.

 

[vcip]

Because they traded away most of their best players and churned over about 1/3 of the roster 1 week before the opening kick off , so yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good reason. As for the players, many of them wouldn't even bee on NFL rosters, or wouldn't be starting, or would be on the practice squad, and that's a fact, because we got them off of the dumpster.

So yes, I don't expect much of those players, and yes, I think under those circumstances it's far to early to give a definitive grade on the coaching staff.

Why did they F up the offensive line minus Tunsil right before the opener?
That made sense
Even last night that ridiculous 3rd & 20?
Then all of a sudden pretending Fitz was Marion and throwing every down

 

[hoops]

Agreed. The whole problem with tanking though is it doesnt work.

Browns? Indy?

Watch us draft Tua and he turns intona crybaby and leaves.

How did it not work for indy? Peyton Manning. Andrew luck.

Browns need their #1 overall qb to play better. Period

 

[Bumpus]

Agreed. The whole problem with tanking though is it doesnt work.

 

[Pengh]

I feel like i'm watching meaningless preseason games every Sunday. Who cares really.