The Reason The Next Week Is A Milestone For Ryan Tannehill

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  1. The Goat

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    Ugh. I meant to post this in the Dolphins forum. Can someone move it?
     
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    Done. Encouraging article. Thanks for posting Goat :thumbsup
     
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    Ehh no reason to push him too hard in OTAs. Let him run around a little bit, showcase himself to reporters.

    He's got two months until Training Camp. Let that be where he shows himself without limitations.
     
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    Not worried at all about the leg, more concern about his game.
     
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    "There's not a throw he can't make."
     
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    Don't think that this news wasn't relayed to the Dolphins long ago...that the healing and his progress was in a best-case scenario. I mean, the team was in prime position to take a QB, but the guys who job is on the line, the one who lives and dies by the QB felt good enough to not draft a QB. Could be a gamble, but it could be that have had this extremely encouraging news. With that in mind, Gase is going to be extra cautious...it is just trying to get Tannehill to head that caution.
     
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    It's only been about 9 months. That concerns me. I hope these doctors don't screw the Dolphins like the group who chose Culpepper over Brees.
     
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    I mean..... you can say that about 90% of all the QBs In the NFL, including backups and 3rd stringers. That's really the reason how they got into the NFL.

    Not sure I've ever heard "he would be an excellent QB if only he could make all the throws"

    Or "even though he cant make all the throws he's a really good QB."

    C'mon man it's the NFL. Being able to make all the throws is expected for any starting QB lol. I'm glad you got pumped up from reading that though.
     
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    Says the wiseass to the wiseass
     
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    Also, I had hopes this high last year. Guess it's like bill murry on groundhog day, eventually we'll find a way to not kill ourselves
     
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    Not every qb in he nfl can be on their back foot and hit a 25 yard late breaking out. Not every qb can be rollling left and throw the ball 60 yards down field
     
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    You'd think watching Cutler last year would be enough of an example of a QB not being able to make all the throws. Biggest upgrade this year will be, touch wood, a healthy Tannehill making the bread and butter throws at a higher clip then Cutler could as well as threatening the deep third as he did in 2016.
     
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    Like Rodgers and very few others.
     
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    Funny you say that.

     
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    I'm sure he did until he found out that Cutler's arm was completely shot and no longer had any velocity on his throws.
     
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    Hindsight's 20/20 but if Gase said that after the season ended then he should just quit now. I'm sure if you checked the date on the article it was in answer to why we picked up Cutler preseason.
     
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    I don't think next week is a big deal at all. The real deal will be in training camp when they let the training wheels off.
     
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    The article is from 5/15/18. Which quote are you referring to?
     
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    Yessir's quotes about Cutler.
     
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    i remember gruden saying that about Tannehill during those pre-draft sessions. He didnt say that about all the prospects.

    Tannehill's stock was rising that Spring as teams were finding out he really COULD " "make all the throws". the big Q mark was his experience. Sherman knew him well, so had the inside track.

    Ags disliked Sherman's game day strategy, but loved his talent evaluation and development. he took 2-star and 3-star pkayers others didnt want and made them into NFL players.
     
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    My thinking is if he stays healthy then he'll have a good season. We know he can play.
     
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    Oh, okay. Then never mind.
     
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    Uhhh....not hardly. You honestly believe that 90% of all the QB's in the league can make that throw against San Diego? Threaded the needle 60 yards to Stills while getting clotheslined? Against the Steelers 65 yards to Gray while running to his left? That's just 2 off the top of my head that there are maybe 3 other QB's that make either of those throws the way he did. Trying to down play his arm talent is a bit absurd.

    What is it with these people that just relentlessly make up absurd nonsense to type like it's real. 90% of all the QB's .....wow!
     
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    Tannehill is not a popular QB (nor are the Dolphins in general), primarily because he hasn't had success (nor us). I believe that's because he had an absolutely horrendous HC for his entire career, and the moment that changed so did his play on the field, but he got hurt and very few people really give a s*** about that. He's an afterthought to the vast majority of NFL fans, that is, until he picks up where he left off...
     
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    That throw against the Steelers to Gray is possibly the hardest throw for a right handed QB to make.
     
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    Yes the majority of NFL QBs can make similar throws, they are all professional athletes and they would not be starting in the NFL if they couldn't make similar throws.

    I'm not downplaying his arm talent I'm downplaying the importance of "top level" arm talent because majority of NFL QBs have good enough "arm talent" to make all the throws.

    Some backup QBs have top level arm strength, so it doesnt really mean anything. Unfortunately there is more to playing QB than making few good throws into tight windows.
     
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    Then why don't they? I'm serious as a heart attack.

    Arm talent and arm strength are not any where near the same thing. I could understand it being passed off it it happened once or twice, but the kid has made numerous elite throws (a lot more than a few) that don't just happen by the "majority of NFL QBs".

    I can't even understand how this conversation is even being had. The only reason Tannehill gets no love around the league is 100% bc he's a miami dolphin. We have been irrelevant for so long that he is going to have to break Peyton Manning's records to get noticed. Drew Brees level of production is his ceiling of capability and Carson Palmer is his floor. He can absolutely produce 5000 yds and 40 TD's without question.

    Don't be surprised if he starts that climb this year and drops in the low 30's in TD's and over 4500 yards.
     
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    So explain to me what "arm talent" is?
     
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    No they can't or QB position wouldn't be the most difficult to fill.
     
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    Example : I can make every throw in the book,
    but I can't get it there before the CB pics it off or disrupts the play.
     
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    That's called timing and arm strength, my friend. Also being able to recognize defenses.
     
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    Or....maybe there's just more to the QB position than being able to make difficult throws. I could show you examples of even josh McCown last season making impressive throws and asking you to find where Tannehill makes a throw exactly the same way. Its impossible so its basically a moot point.
     
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    But was McCown the 2nd most accurate long ball passer in any season, even despite the 31st ranked OL? Or even the 4th most accurate 15+ yard passer? And speaking of the OL, I know that there were 3 passers with higher QBRs in '16 from a clean pocket than Tannehill, but I doubt McCown was one of 'em!

    Tannehill never had nor will ever have the escapability of Russell Wilson to compensate for a bad OL. But then again, aside from a few Ajayi games, Tannehill never had the Beast Mode to defend against either! Let's see what he can do in terms of "making all the throws" from behind an at least an average rated, middle of the road OL - which would be a rarity for him.
     
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    Arm talent includes 'arm strength' and:

    1. Ability to throw with the appropriate velocity for a situation
    2. Ability to throw with the appropriate trajectory for a situation
    3. Ability to throw from a variety of platforms, including:
    a. Off their back foot
    b. Off balance
    c. On the move to the right
    d. On the move to the left
    e. Without fully stepping into the throw
    4. Ability to throw with a variety of throwing motions
    a. Natural
    b. Side arm
    c. Big wide up
    d. Small wind up
    5. Accuracy
    6. Quick release

    Josh Allen has the strongest arm of the top QBs drafted. He does not have the best arm talent.

    To use a baseball analogy, the best pitcher is not always the hardest thrower. What good is throwing 105 mph fastball if you cannot hit the strike zone or alter speeds, location, ball movement, etc?
     
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    Thanks for the link, interesting read. But like it says in the article arm talent is a loose term and I think overall a QB with "arm talent" is essentially just an elite QB. Is there a QB with amazing arm talent who isn't elite or a QB who is elite that lacks arm talent?
     
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    Certainly more examples of 'a' than 'b'.

    Jeff George had amazing arm talent and no head for the game.

    I would say Joe Montana had less arm talent than many (maybe it was still amazing) and he is an all-time great.

    Playing QB at an elite level requires elite (or close to elite) arm talent but it also requires so many of the other skills listed in the article.
     
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    Chad Pennington could not make those throws...he never had the arm strength to do so...now could he pick a defense apart in the short to medium throws, yes
     
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    Jeff George couldn't throw a touch pass very well or while on the run. I think you're once again referring to arm strength. Montana was able to do those things but didn't have a cannon so once again, you're mostly talking about arm strength.
     

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