The Reason The Next Week Is A Milestone For Ryan Tannehill

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  1. lurking

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    Example : I can make every throw in the book,
    but I can't get it there before the CB pics it off or disrupts the play.
     
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    That's called timing and arm strength, my friend. Also being able to recognize defenses.
     
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    Or....maybe there's just more to the QB position than being able to make difficult throws. I could show you examples of even josh McCown last season making impressive throws and asking you to find where Tannehill makes a throw exactly the same way. Its impossible so its basically a moot point.
     
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    But was McCown the 2nd most accurate long ball passer in any season, even despite the 31st ranked OL? Or even the 4th most accurate 15+ yard passer? And speaking of the OL, I know that there were 3 passers with higher QBRs in '16 from a clean pocket than Tannehill, but I doubt McCown was one of 'em!

    Tannehill never had nor will ever have the escapability of Russell Wilson to compensate for a bad OL. But then again, aside from a few Ajayi games, Tannehill never had the Beast Mode to defend against either! Let's see what he can do in terms of "making all the throws" from behind an at least an average rated, middle of the road OL - which would be a rarity for him.
     
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    Arm talent includes 'arm strength' and:

    1. Ability to throw with the appropriate velocity for a situation
    2. Ability to throw with the appropriate trajectory for a situation
    3. Ability to throw from a variety of platforms, including:
    a. Off their back foot
    b. Off balance
    c. On the move to the right
    d. On the move to the left
    e. Without fully stepping into the throw
    4. Ability to throw with a variety of throwing motions
    a. Natural
    b. Side arm
    c. Big wide up
    d. Small wind up
    5. Accuracy
    6. Quick release

    Josh Allen has the strongest arm of the top QBs drafted. He does not have the best arm talent.

    To use a baseball analogy, the best pitcher is not always the hardest thrower. What good is throwing 105 mph fastball if you cannot hit the strike zone or alter speeds, location, ball movement, etc?
     
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    Thanks for the link, interesting read. But like it says in the article arm talent is a loose term and I think overall a QB with "arm talent" is essentially just an elite QB. Is there a QB with amazing arm talent who isn't elite or a QB who is elite that lacks arm talent?
     
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    Certainly more examples of 'a' than 'b'.

    Jeff George had amazing arm talent and no head for the game.

    I would say Joe Montana had less arm talent than many (maybe it was still amazing) and he is an all-time great.

    Playing QB at an elite level requires elite (or close to elite) arm talent but it also requires so many of the other skills listed in the article.
     
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    Chad Pennington could not make those throws...he never had the arm strength to do so...now could he pick a defense apart in the short to medium throws, yes
     
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    Jeff George couldn't throw a touch pass very well or while on the run. I think you're once again referring to arm strength. Montana was able to do those things but didn't have a cannon so once again, you're mostly talking about arm strength.
     
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    No, I'm not talking mostly about arm strength. I'm talking about all the things I wrote in an earlier post. Jeff George had arm strength and incredible accuracy and an incredibly quick release and the ability to throw it from a variety of platforms and the ability to throw with touch and different trajectories, etc. Arm talent.
     
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    I think you're the first person to describe jeff george as incredibly accurate and ability to throw with touch lol. All QBs have ability to throw with touch, just depends on the consistency. He was Jay Cutler before Jay Cutler

    Ability to throw from different platforms = arm strength.

    And if your not referring to arm strength, which area was Montana lacking in?
     
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    I did a google search with the phrase "Jeff George accuracy issues". Couldn't find any articles describing accuracy as a problem. Leadership? Attitude? yes. Accuracy? No. I did find this quote:

    and this:


    Those that do it consistently have superior arm talent. George was Cutler because of attitude issues.

    False. Throwing from different platforms also impacts accuracy and timing. Some more than others, hence differences in arm talent.


    Montana's only question was arm strength, which is part of arm talent.

    Not sure why you are not getting it. Arm talent and arm strength are not synonymous for quarterbacks any more than they are for baseball pitchers.
     
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    I'm shocked that this is still going on. It is on the verge of me thinking you're just trolling to stir up crap. How can someone think that arm strength makes a QB good? Chad Pennington lacked arm strength in a big way but was highly accurate and successful. Drew Brees isn't known for arm strength but is extremely successful.

    You can be successful without arm strength, but not without arm talent. It's so simple to delineate between the two that it's almost elementary.
     
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    Because of their accuracy...not this made up "arm talent"
     

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