The Ricky Situation doesn't make any sense

[LarryFinFan]

See that is the optimal scenario. Ricky's debt to the team isn't truly a debt. Don't get me wrong, I want to see him pay that back, but as far as it goes, Wayne's used to giving away signing bonuses and that 8.6 will not be missed all that much in the broad scope of things. If it were 80.6 then that would be a different story. The thing I don't see alot of people bringing up is Ricky's age factor and no matter what he does he's always going to go down as a malcontent. At this point in his career, there's really no use trying to resurrect him to gain something in trade value. He's too old now, it's not like he's 24 and making silly life choices.

........and for having him as a 1-2 combo with Brown? I personally don't want him anywhere near Ronny. Just seems like a pipe dream that Ricky could ever come in and provide a serious effect on this team. Alot of time has past, alot of things have changed. Football is starting to move on without Ricky.

As I said, that was a "best case scenario". RW has made his bed and now must lie in it, but the Fins need to extract as much as we can from him in value. As to his influence on Brown...I agree. I am not an advocate of him returning, just trying to look at the best outlook...

 

[enigmatics]

OK...I understand you dont like Ricky. Fine. But just look at it from a "FOOTBALL" only standpoint. His body took no beating last year. He is relatively young. His contract is cap friendly. His skills have yet to show any type of decline. So where..I ask you..is his career..AGAIN FOOTBALL RELATED...going downhill?

If you haven't seen Ricky's career go downhill then you watched or read nothing about what transpired over the course of the last year and a half, not one thing. The man's not superman. He's been away from the game. Nowhere near playing shape. Still has to serve a suspension. Obvious mental problems mixed with substance abuse. He'll be 29 before he could start to hit a groove, at which point wouldn't make any sense anyways because Ronnie Brown's our guy. I don't even have to speak on how his career went downhill, it's screaming it on it's own.

 

[raving]

I see you're every bit of your profile name. Yeah, Nick Saban joined the Dolphins so he could save Ricky Williams life. Right. The "Buoyah" part was funny though.

How did you get that out of my message? That is patently absurd! I did not say anything of the sort - but I do believe that Saban is VERY invested in the quality of integrity of his organization. He is also EXTREMELY competitive and driven and he wants athletes of the same ilk. He operates at the edge - he liked that Matt Roth gave him the finger in a public way before he drafted him. He liked Crowder's history even though it involved off the field drama's that were violent. Why? Because it is raw material, the stuff life is made of, in a bunch of extremely talented and physically very powerful men. You better believe Saban is invested in saving their lives and helping them make good in their lives and their families and their communities. Saban even says so. Yeah dude Saban LOVES the opportunity to help Ricky. Did he take the job to that only, of course not. Is he jumping at the opportunity - OF COURSE! Get on the learning curve son Saban is here!

 

[vt_dolfan]

If you haven't seen Ricky's career go downhill then you watched or read nothing about what transpired over the course of the last year and a half, not one thing. The man's not superman. He's been away from the game. Nowhere near playing shape. Still has to serve a suspension. Obvious mental problems mixed with substance abuse. He'll be 29 before he could start to hit a groove, at which point wouldn't make any sense anyways because Ronnie Brown's our guy. I don't even have to speak on how his career went downhill, it's screaming it on it's own.

Rushing
2002 MIA 16 16 383 1853 4.8 63 16 89 7 5
2003 MIA 16 16 392 1372 3.5 45 9 68 4 4

Recieving
2002 MIA 16 16 47 363 7.7 52 1 14 0 0
2003 MIA 16 16 50 351 7.0 59 1 11 3 1

Hmmm...what games did you watch. He put up 1700 plus of total offense in 2003. He had almost no blocking. If I remember correctly during the San Diego game played in ASU because of the forest fires..one of the San Diego players stated that the Fins blocking was the worst he had ever seen. He consistantly played against 8 man fronts because we HAD no deep threat. So..AGAIN forget about the quitting thing..where do you see a declining RB?

Wheres your proof? What statistics do you have to back up your claim?

 

[vt_dolfan]

If you haven't seen Ricky's career go downhill then you watched or read nothing about what transpired over the course of the last year and a half, not one thing. The man's not superman. He's been away from the game. Nowhere near playing shape. Still has to serve a suspension. Obvious mental problems mixed with substance abuse. He'll be 29 before he could start to hit a groove, at which point wouldn't make any sense anyways because Ronnie Brown's our guy. I don't even have to speak on how his career went downhill, it's screaming it on it's own.

Oh and if you call smoking dope a substance abuse problem..then youd have to say well over half of the people reading this also have the same problem.

 

[enigmatics]

Rushing
2002 MIA 16 16 383 1853 4.8 63 16 89 7 5
2003 MIA 16 16 392 1372 3.5 45 9 68 4 4

Recieving
2002 MIA 16 16 47 363 7.7 52 1 14 0 0
2003 MIA 16 16 50 351 7.0 59 1 11 3 1

Hmmm...what games did you watch. He put up 1700 plus of total offense in 2003. He had almost no blocking. If I remember correctly during the San Diego game played in ASU because of the forest fires..one of the San Diego players stated that the Fins blocking was the worst he had ever seen. He consistantly played against 8 man fronts because we HAD no deep threat. So..AGAIN forget about the quitting thing..where do you see a declining RB?

Wheres your proof? What statistics do you have to back up your claim?

Giving up on football is declining, pure and simple. No matter how much you want to spin his stats from 2002 to 2003. You obviously have to have the mentality to play the game. Ricky doesn't have it. You can try and melodramize him taking a beating during the Wanny tenure. But c'mon..... I've heard 20,000 worse horror stories about football players. And again, givin' his age and how he spent his time away from the game, Ricky's best days are behind him. In less than 2 years he'll be 30 and an afterthought.

 

[enigmatics]

Oh and if you call smoking dope a substance abuse problem..then youd have to say well over half of the people reading this also have the same problem.

Great argumentation there. Trying to disprove my opinion by calling half the board members here substance abusers. :roflmao:

 

[Alphamale]

Amen Brother!!!

 

[vt_dolfan]

Great argumentation there. Trying to disprove my opinion by calling half the board members here substance abusers. :roflmao:

No...I was making the point that you use the term "susbstance abouse" much as the same way you would a crack addict. Also..my argument about Ricky was based solely on his physical abilities. Physically Ricky could very well still be a force. Whether that be for the fins..or whomever. You throw around Ricky's mental state as though you had some idea about what it was like to walk in his shoes. Thats very naieve. I myself have close relatives who suffer from the same disease that Ricky does. They arent crazy...they arent quitters. They do make rash decisions based on how they are feeling at the time. You assume its so easy to wake up every day and see things through rose tinted glasses. Maybe football isnt the right place for Ricky. But it doesnt diminish him as a person. He is entirely capable of coming back. You also have no idea as to how he is spending him time away from the game..do you? Only what you have read in the papers.

 

[Disgustipate]

Is there something wrong with some of you people here?

Chronological age doesnt mean a whole hell of alot to a runningback. The reason 30 years old is considered a killer to runningbacks is the amount of damage they accumulated playing football at that age. There is a hormonal dropoff, but it is not the years since birth that kills a RB.

Ricky has had a pretty good respite from that. A year off with no collisions could do wonders for his wear and tear. It's quite possible that if he comes back and gets in to shape, he could be as good as he was before he left.

I'm not sure why you people think a year out of the game matters so much. He does need to get back into playing shape, but that is not nearly undoable. He is 200 pounds, and not in bad physical shape. He is not eating cheeseburgers, cheetos, and sitting around getting fat. Look at pictures of him, he still takes his physical health seriously.

Go look at what Jamal Lewis and Edgerin James have said about missing a season of football. You wont hear a damn thing about being out of the game a year hurting them, because it didnt. It was the physical damage that did. Their rhythm, their vision, all of that didnt suddenly disappear.

 

[enigmatics]

No...I was making the point that you use the term "susbstance abouse" much as the same way you would a crack addict. Also..my argument about Ricky was based solely on his physical abilities. Physically Ricky could very well still be a force. Whether that be for the fins..or whomever. You throw around Ricky's mental state as though you had some idea about what it was like to walk in his shoes. Thats very naieve. I myself have close relatives who suffer from the same disease that Ricky does. They arent crazy...they arent quitters. They do make rash decisions based on how they are feeling at the time. You assume its so easy to wake up every day and see things through rose tinted glasses. Maybe football isnt the right place for Ricky. But it doesnt diminish him as a person. He is entirely capable of coming back. You also have no idea as to how he is spending him time away from the game..do you? Only what you have read in the papers.

Brother you're getting way of track. I didn't start this thread to talk about Ricky as a person. I'm talking about Ricky as a football player...........errr WAS a football player.

 

[vt_dolfan]

Brother you're getting way of track. I didn't start this thread to talk about Ricky as a person. I'm talking about Ricky as a football player...........errr WAS a football player.

Yeh..but your arguments of his declining football skills were based solely on him as a person..not on his physical abilities.

 

[Fin-Loco]

See that is the optimal scenario. Ricky's debt to the team isn't truly a debt. Don't get me wrong, I want to see him pay that back, but as far as it goes, Wayne's used to giving away signing bonuses and that 8.6 will not be missed all that much in the broad scope of things. If it were 80.6 then that would be a different story. The thing I don't see alot of people bringing up is Ricky's age factor and no matter what he does he's always going to go down as a malcontent. At this point in his career, there's really no use trying to resurrect him to gain something in trade value. He's too old now, it's not like he's 24 and making silly life choices.

........and for having him as a 1-2 combo with Brown? I personally don't want him anywhere near Ronny. Just seems like a pipe dream that Ricky could ever come in and provide a serious effect on this team. Alot of time has past, alot of things have changed. Football is starting to move on without Ricky.

Let's not forget that the man also is lacking the wear and tear of last season. Theat should make him biologically one year younger.

 

[enigmatics]

Yeh..but your arguments of his declining football skills were based solely on him as a person..not on his physical abilities.

No........football is more than just a physical game. You know how many players came into this league with an awesome set of phsycial tools that didn't make it? C'mon man. You're enamored with the physical specimen aspect. And with Ricky Williams we all know there's more to it than just the physical. He's a bad bet. To bring him back would be a complete waste of this franchises time. We were all so concerned about cleaning house before, let's keep to that plan.

 

[enigmatics]

Let's not forget that the man also is lacking the wear and tear of last season. Theat should make him biologically one year younger.

So according to many of most of you on this board Ricky took a pounding that most runningbacks don't take in a span of 3-4 years in the two years he ran the ball for us. So he was already ahead of schedule when it comes to his body's wear and tear.