Feels like this is either moving the goalposts or intentionally missing the point.
The Super Bowl as a proxy for the Finheaven War
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Feels like this is either moving the goalposts or intentionally missing the point.
Ray R
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We'll know more about their running game in two weeks.
Ray R
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Not for all, or even most teams!
Ray R
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I disagree.
I think the poster identified the situation accurately. His bias was showing, but he he did acknowledge that.
I see. Yes, I’d want the QB that is always going to have me in contention.
I agree, San Fran had a really soft schedule, I doubt they get home field advantage next year.
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You know there are a few here who believe a tam wins the SB or they're losers. Getting to the playoffs means nothing.
Just as individual 'elite' QBs seldom return to the SB (sans Brady), individual Ds seldom return to the SB. BUT, elite QBs as a group, get to the SB frequently, as do elite Ds. Usually together
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You need at least a hot and talented defense to win a Super Bowl, but if it is either or....I would say KC's QB model is more sustainable.
SF's defense will break up and you will see production drop, their cap isn't in a great spot I think hey have something like $16 million. And you know guys like Thomas and Armestead will probably walk with guys like Sherman and the list goes on, there goes half of the depth of the line plus the alpha in the secondary. But you can replace guys like that and running back a lot easier then a high level QB. So maybe they can be a good to great defense for a number of years but they will not be at this level. Jimmy G will have to shoulder more especially if their cap space stays this tight.
Mahomes will retire a Chief. So thats not even a position they have to worry about for the next 15 years. They can draft skill players and bulk up a defense but one thing will always be present. Mahomes and his wizardry. So in years where they face tons of injuries or the defense is just horrible they will likely still get 11 wins make the playoffs maybe win in wildcard weekend. Whereas, the 9ers will be a hit and miss team that may or may not make the playoffs. I mean Shannahan is a great coach but he had what 8/9 wins before this year. So Jimmy G gives them a fighting chance but he is no Wilson or Mahomes and can carry a team to 11 wins regardless of roster. He will always need a pretty solid supporting cast and this is the NFL so that's a tough ask.
If the 9ers missed the playoffs next year due to guys leaving and just attrition. Plus every team in their division could/should be better next year. I would not be surprised, if the chiefs miss the playoffs it would only be because Mahomes would miss significant time. If he plays 14 games a year they will be in the post season and if you are in the post season you can make a run and at least have a chance at a Superbowl.
And want to add that if there was such a thing as a fraud 14-3 team it was the Packers, I believe they were out gained in 11 games this year and were 9-1 in 1 possession games. They were lucky AF, and if the Seahawks weren't completely broken down with injury likely wouldn't have made it this far.
SF's defense will break up and you will see production drop, their cap isn't in a great spot I think hey have something like $16 million. And you know guys like Thomas and Armestead will probably walk with guys like Sherman and the list goes on, there goes half of the depth of the line plus the alpha in the secondary. But you can replace guys like that and running back a lot easier then a high level QB. So maybe they can be a good to great defense for a number of years but they will not be at this level. Jimmy G will have to shoulder more especially if their cap space stays this tight.
Mahomes will retire a Chief. So thats not even a position they have to worry about for the next 15 years. They can draft skill players and bulk up a defense but one thing will always be present. Mahomes and his wizardry. So in years where they face tons of injuries or the defense is just horrible they will likely still get 11 wins make the playoffs maybe win in wildcard weekend. Whereas, the 9ers will be a hit and miss team that may or may not make the playoffs. I mean Shannahan is a great coach but he had what 8/9 wins before this year. So Jimmy G gives them a fighting chance but he is no Wilson or Mahomes and can carry a team to 11 wins regardless of roster. He will always need a pretty solid supporting cast and this is the NFL so that's a tough ask.
If the 9ers missed the playoffs next year due to guys leaving and just attrition. Plus every team in their division could/should be better next year. I would not be surprised, if the chiefs miss the playoffs it would only be because Mahomes would miss significant time. If he plays 14 games a year they will be in the post season and if you are in the post season you can make a run and at least have a chance at a Superbowl.
And want to add that if there was such a thing as a fraud 14-3 team it was the Packers, I believe they were out gained in 11 games this year and were 9-1 in 1 possession games. They were lucky AF, and if the Seahawks weren't completely broken down with injury likely wouldn't have made it this far.
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The point isnt who wins that game. Anyone can win any game in the NFL. The point is which of these 2 teams is more likely to find itself in the same situation next year and the year after that and the year after that and so on.... And even then those 2 teams dont even fit the actual debate, matter of fact SF were 4-12 last season without a good passing game. Now both teams have the 5th and 7th rated passing offense.
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It’s weird to me that Dolphin fans of all fans are advocating passing on elite QB to build an elite D... it’s like they memoryholed the early 2000s.
Dolphins had an elite D with an elite running game and couldn’t even make the playoffs because of their QB situation.
And after that D broke down, it only got worse from there and we endured a decade of absolute ****.
You telling me had they drafted Brees in 2001 instead of Jamar Fletcher everything would have panned out the same?
Dolphins had an elite D with an elite running game and couldn’t even make the playoffs because of their QB situation.
And after that D broke down, it only got worse from there and we endured a decade of absolute ****.
You telling me had they drafted Brees in 2001 instead of Jamar Fletcher everything would have panned out the same?
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And this was at a point in time where running the ball was as valuable as its been in the last 30 years...
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There's gonna be a whole lotta red at the SB this year. Wonder what jerseys each team will wear for the big game.
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They were literally inches away from the 5 seed as it is.
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Both will wear white thinking that the other team will wear red.
I would assume since KC is the home team they will wear red and the 49ers will wear white.
I put money on SF over GB and felt 100% confident doing so
GB has one WR Rodgers can count on and a running game that’s not hard to shut down. SF shuts down very good running games and they dared Rodgers to beat em. Where was Jones yesterday?
Say what you want about Garrapolo but he’s got balls. He has no problem trying to thread the needle between the hash marks and more time than not connects. They’re running game is top notch
So basically no war here, get us a QB for sure but those lines are so important and that’s why SF will pull out a close SB win