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Thoughts On This Play By Tua - Is The Commentator Right?

Finsup1981 said:
i gave Kevin my login so he could watch the play, so do you think it would have been a touchdown if he drove the ball better and got it there faster?
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the intent isn't to drive the ball. He pumps right with every intention of throwing left. he moved the safety to the middle of the field. its' a 29 yard completion and puts them at the give or take 11 yard line, again , not sure what people are arguing about.
 
kevdick13 said:
the intent isn't to drive the ball. He pumps right with every intention of throwing left. he moved the safety to the middle of the field. its' a 29 yard completion and puts them at the +/- 11, again , not sure what people are arguing about.
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Not arguing with the result of the play, I’ll take a 30 yard pass all day. I just felt that if he threw it more on a frozen rope and didn’t make Reek slow up and adjust to the ball that Hamlin wouldn’t have been able to get angle on Reek and he walks in.

So if the intent of the play was a back shoulder throw between the CB and S then it’s a perfect pass, I just think the play could’ve had a better result if he threw it on a rope and lead Reek instead of back shouldering it.

Thanks for your analysis
 
Finsup1981 said:
Here’s what I mean by the angle, look at this picture and you can see Hamlin defending the seam starting to backpedal, while Reek is running as fast as he can straight down the field:
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Now if you look in this still, Reek is already slowing down to adjust to the ball as you can see by how he’s running, but he’s already made it 10 yards further downfield than the first still, meanwhile Hamlin has only made up a few yards of ground:
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And look the at the third still and how much room there is still between him and Reek:

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So I think a stronger throw there and Hamlin doesn’t have the angle to catch Reek. Thanks for the compliment btw.
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This post is deceptive and wrong.

Tyreek travels from the 26 to the 17 in your frames a total of 9 yards.

Hamlin travels to from the left hash on the 15 to nearly to top of the 10. Distance from the hash mark to the top of the numbers is 9 yards. Corner to corner the distance from 15 has to the top of the 10 is 10.5 yards, I’d say he travels about 9 of them so they are traveling and covering roughly the same distance.

Tyreek is also now 17 yards away while Hamlin is around 11 yards into the field and 11 yards away from the corner pylon. Distance Hamlin needs to travel 15.56 yards to touch corner pylon while tyreek needs 17. Tyreek is also about 4 yards in field mean if ball is thrown straight and not more towards the sideline that makes it even shorter of a distance Hamlin has to travel while also having the advantage.

Difference between 4.6 which is Hamlin’s and tyreeks 4.3 is 2.5 yards however that’s at a full 40 yard distance at only about 15 yards it’s probably only a yard or less in which Hamlin already has about a yard and a half advantage.

Mathematically as well as going off the distance needed to be traveled and the distance covered already it’d be almost foolish to claim tyreek would likely score on a deeper ball.

Obviously there’s some other variables and I’m eye balling distances but claiming he’d score is purely an opinion backed by nothing other than feelings. It’s likely too close to call and can go either way if played out multiple times depending on exactly where the ball is thrown. Ideal sweet spot would likely be 2-3 yards where it landed and to the sideline so that tyreek doesn’t have to slow and turn around but he’s still likely to have to make a move on Hamlin in order to score. A ball inside the 5 and Hamlin likely is close to making a play.
 
Finsup1981 said:
Not arguing with the result of the play, I’ll take a 30 yard pass all day. I just felt that if he threw it more on a frozen rope and didn’t make Reek slow up and adjust to the ball that Hamlin wouldn’t have been able to get angle on Reek and he walks in.

So if the intent of the play was a back shoulder throw between the CB and S then it’s a perfect pass, I just think the play could’ve had a better result if he threw it on a rope and lead Reek instead of back shouldering it.

Thanks for your analysis
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its not a back shoulder throw, its a move the safety with a pump, throw to Tyreek. coaches don't get caught up in if the safety would or wouldn't have gotten there. Your first and 10 at the 11, continue with the game. There are a lot of folks who post on this board who will tell you they have a clue when I can guarantee you they don't. this is a dumb thread to get folks to argue.
 
MARINO1384 said:
This post is deceptive and wrong.

Tyreek travels from the 26 to the 17 in your frames a total of 9 yards.

Hamlin travels to from the left hash on the 15 to nearly to top of the 10. Distance from the hash mark to the top of the numbers is 9 yards. Corner to corner the distance from 15 has to the top of the 10 is 10.5 yards, I’d say he travels about 9 of them so they are traveling and covering roughly the same distance.

Tyreek is also now 17 yards away while Hamlin is around 11 yards into the field and 11 yards away from the corner pylon. Distance Hamlin needs to travel 15.56 yards to touch corner pylon while tyreek needs 17. Tyreek is also about 4 yards in field mean if ball is thrown straight and not more towards the sideline that makes it even shorter of a distance Hamlin has to travel while also having the advantage.

Difference between 4.6 which is Hamlin’s and tyreeks 4.3 is 2.5 yards however that’s at a full 40 yard distance at only about 15 yards it’s probably only a yard or less in which Hamlin already has about a yard and a half advantage.

Mathematically as well as going off the distance needed to be traveled and the distance covered already it’d be almost foolish to claim tyreek would likely score on a deeper ball.

Obviously there’s some other variables and I’m eye balling distances but claiming he’d score is purely an opinion backed by nothing other than feelings. It’s likely too close to call and can go either way if played out multiple times depending on exactly where the ball is thrown. Ideal sweet spot would likely be 2-3 yards where it landed and to the sideline so that tyreek doesn’t have to slow and turn around but he’s still likely to have to make a move on Hamlin in order to score. A ball inside the 5 and Hamlin likely is close to making a play.
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Good points on the math, I just think with the way Hamlin was facing and the change of direction he needed to do to get the angle on Reek that it would’ve been a TD if Reek didn’t have to readjust to the ball and Tua lead him on the play. It’s close like you said, but I think Reeks straight line speed would’ve got the TD.
 
kevdick13 said:
its not a back shoulder throw, its a move the safety with a pump, throw to Tyreek. coaches don't get caught up in if the safety would or wouldn't have gotten there. Your first and 10 at the 11, continue with the game. There are a lot of folks who post on this board who will tell you they have a clue when I can guarantee you they don't. this is a dumb thread to get folks to argue.
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So after watching the all-22 you feel as though it was a great throw and couldn’t have been placed differently or any better? Do you think the result would’ve been different with more juice and power on the throw?
 
If anyone else wants access and to take a look at the play message me and ill give you the login and timestamps it’s easy to find.

Or if you just want to watch some All-22, either way I’ll give anyone access that wants it for free
 
Finsup1981 said:
So after watching the all-22 you feel as though it was a great throw and couldn’t have been placed differently or any better? Do you think the result would’ve been different with more juice and power on the throw?
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i think its stupid to argue about and end up with a 21 page thread. it was a 29 yard completion with a result of 1st and 10 at the 11.
 
kevdick13 said:
i think its stupid to argue about and end up with a 21 page thread. it was a 29 yard completion with a result of 1st and 10 at the 11.
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Fair enough. It’s a positive play that netted 30 yards and it’s silly to think that’s a bad throw.

I’m gonna end my part in this debate by stating that after watching the all-22 from every available angle I feel like he could’ve put more juice on the ball and that a frozen rope that leads him would’ve ended up with a touchdown, and that Reek would’ve had the angle on Hamlin.

Still happy with the result of the play.
 
TrogdorTheBurninator said:
Ok but can you still give your opinion please? If Tua had thrown that, do you think the safety would have been there?
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it doesn't matter. he threw it how he threw it. it was a completion for 29 yards and 1 and 10 in the RedZone. and I'll go the opposite way, if he throws it "farther" and its picked what happens then? every play is not going to be TD and over analyzing every play is just dumb. Again, you have plenty in just this thread that have no idea what their talking about, like "Connor was wide open" yada yada yada
 
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