Time For A Soft Rebuild

[EPBro]

So you're going to draft a QB, good knows if they'll be any good, and it will be hard to tell because they won't have any one to throw to, they won't have a line that can block, and they won't have a running game that you can hang your hat on.

Let's just say that you got a first round pick for each of those players- I mean in actuality you aren't getting a first for Tua or Tyreek, but ok. So now you are down two starting receivers (not to mention that we don't even have any viable receivers besides Tyreek and Tua) as well as a QB. So you're counting on hitting on all those picks just to get back to where we were. But realistically, bust rates are very high for QB's and even among wide receivers there's plenty of Treylon Burks drafted. You're not replacing all those players. Yeah you'd get some cap money- and we've seen in 2013 and 2020 how much blowing a bunch of money in FA does for your team. You're paying for production somebody gave another team that didn't prioritize retaining them. That works out really well. And then you just have your entire core, if somehow you hit on all those picks, coming due for FA at the exact same time, which is a nightmare.

And none of that adds anything to the OL, adds any depth receivers, adds a tight end behind Jonnu, adds somebody in the secondary who can do anything half worthwhile because the only ones worth anything there are over the hill and we'll be short our two starting safeties. None of that adds a DT besides Sieler, an off ball LB.

Oh but we'll have 8000 draft picks so we can fill every hole. Great, but an organization that has never proven it can draft well is now going to have to scout to replace the entire roster. The more holes you have to fill in one draft, the more picks you HAVE to hit, you lower your efficiency and your "hit" rate. Nearly every team that has had more than two first rounders in one draft- including us- has royally blown a few of those because its damn hard.

Let's learn from the mistakes that we've been making constantly since Marino. Let's not discard the good pieces we have, but conserve cap for a bit by not chasing mediocre FA's and give young players, and not Jordan Poyer, a chance.

Didn't read. Could tell the Tua blinders were on instantly.

 

[Sirspud]

Didn't read. Could tell the Tua blinders were on instantly.

That's a really shallow way of avoiding anything, because it actually says almost nothing about anything, and other than QB its more about;
Brandon Marshall turning into Michael Egnew and BJ Cunningham
Vontae Davis turning into Jamar Taylor and Will Davis
Pat Surtain turning into Matt Roth
Minkah turning into Igby and Jevon Holland
Tunsil turning into Austin Jackson
etc.

 

[EPBro]

That's a really shallow way of avoiding anything, because it actually says almost nothing about anything, and other than QB its more about;
Brandon Marshall turning into Michael Egnew and BJ Cunningham
Vontae Davis turning into Jamar Taylor and Will Davis
Pat Surtain turning into Matt Roth
Minkah turning into Igby and Jevon Holland
Tunsil turning into Austin Jackson
etc.

Who could those picks have been with a competent GM?

 

[Sirspud]

Who could those picks have been with a competent GM?

Impossible to answer, most competent GMs don't make those trades in the first place. Not unless they already have the replacement on the roster.

 

[67Stang]

I honestly think we should move on from Hill, and go after Tee Higgins. We need a larger receiver on O....and get a new GM and fix the damn OL!

 

[Sirspud]

I honestly think we should move on from Hill, and go after Tee Higgins. We need a larger receiver on O....and get a new GM and fix the damn OL!

I think Hill's time should be done here. I don't equate getting rid of a veteran on the downside of their career who may not be worth their contract anymore with just punting on talent in their prime that we never replace. Hill's salary right now is wasted to an extent because the offensive line is so deficient that he barely sees the ball anyway.

 

[hmichaels]

I'm firing Grier and McDaniel.

I'm hiring Louis Riddik and Ben Johnson.

I'm trading Tua, Tyreek, and Waddle for tons of assets.

Another true rebuild commences...

well I don't live in a fantasy world. so I don't pretend that everything I want is actually doable.

****ing fantasy GM's saying I would do this and I would do that.

I don't even know if one of those players would be tradeable with our cap situation.

if the cap allows trading Hill seems like addition by subtraction, but Tua and Waddle? that seems kinda like just sad bitterness unless
Tua and Waddle magically made Eichenberg, McDaniel, Grier, Crossman et al hot garbage

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Agree, it's not horrible, but there are MAJOR holes and BIG decisions that need to be made by hopefully a new GM and new coach.

I think we have our LT of the now and the future in Paul, need to cut Armstead loose.

Jackson is fine at RT, so bookends should be good.

Brewer has been a nice addition.

The line lacks physicality at the guard positions and depth along the line.

They also need a big bodied possession type receiver. Too many Smurfs in the receiver room.

They need a legit power back to compliment Achane.

Then of course then need a change in philosophy. Stop being so cute, and do the basic blocking and tackling.

Defense IMO needs more than the offense, but it has to start with the pass rush.

Yep. I think Miami will keep Grier and McDaniel for one more year, though.

 

[joenhre]

Yep. I think Miami will keep Grier and McDaniel for one more year, though.

I hope not. I would like to see a competent GM start cleaning up Grier's mess in 2025. So maybe we can see some light at the end of the tunnel by 2027. Keeping Grier and McDaniel another year, just wastes time to delay the inevitable.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Yep. I think Miami will keep Grier and McDaniel for one more year, though.

Stephen Jones made an interesting comment the other day (re resigning Parsons) about how they are looking at the impact and value of paying a very select few big $ vs injury risk.

Dak, Cedee and Micah will eat up 1/4 or more of their cap potentially. If those guys go down for any length of time equals big trouble.

Sounds familiar. Tua out for a month. Reek with a bum wrist all year. Waddle always nagging injuries. Chubb, Armstead. The backups to these guys are 3rd level because that's all we can afford.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I hope not. I would like to see a competent GM start cleaning up Grier's mess in 2025. So maybe we can see some light at the end of the tunnel by 2027. Keeping Grier and McDaniel another year, just wastes time to delay the inevitable.

I'm definitely starting to feel that way. My fear with McDaniel is that he's good enough to stick around for awhile, but not the answer.

I hope I'm wrong and that he can continue to develop. There have been a lot of positives. I also keep coming back to how bad the offensive line is and, if that can be upgraded, how that would impact McDaniel and the team.

Look at Green Bay as an example. LaFleur comes from the same system. What's the biggest difference between the two teams? Besides overall physicality, I'd say it's the offensive line.

Grier? Well, he's really tied to McDaniel right now. He's generally not a bad GM, but certainly could argue that no playoff wins in nine years means he should be replaced.

I just don't see Ross doing that this year.

 

[Sirspud]

Stephen Jones made an interesting comment the other day (re resigning Parsons) about how they are looking at the impact and value of paying a very select few big $ vs injury risk.

Dak, Cedee and Micah will eat up 1/4 or more of their cap potentially. If those guys go down for any length of time equals big trouble.

Sounds familiar. Tua out for a month. Reek with a bum wrist all year. Waddle always nagging injuries. Chubb, Armstead. The backups to these guys are 3rd level because that's all we can afford.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone started thinking like Stephen Jones and not every high caliber player had to sign a cap crippling contract? Unfortunately it only takes one team to drive up the prices and there's always one in the NFL whose gonna win the Super Bowl in free agency because it brings positive buzz, at least until the games actually start.

 

[joenhre]

I'm definitely starting to feel that way. My fear with McDaniel is that he's good enough to stick around for awhile, but not the answer.

I hope I'm wrong and that he can continue to develop. There have been a lot of positives. I also keep coming back to how bad the offensive line is and, if that can be upgraded, how that would impact McDaniel and the team.

Look at Green Bay as an example. LaFleur comes from the same system. What's the biggest difference between the two teams? Besides overall physicality, I'd say it's the offensive line.

Grier? Well, he's really tied to McDaniel right now. He's generally not a bad GM, but certainly could argue that no playoff wins in nine years means he should be replaced.

I just don't see Ross doing that this year.

Yeah I just don't see the combo of Grier and McDaniel ever building a team that can seriously compete with the top teams in the league. The biggest issue with Grier is he's never been able to build a complete team. Especially when you look at how bad the offensive line has been during his time as GM. He has whiffed on too many draft choices especially offensive linemen. His biggest move was trading for Tyreek Hill. Who was great for the team in his first two seasons but that never resulted in postseason success., As far as how Grier's drafts have gone overall, he's found a few good players but really no superstars. His biggest success IMO was signing Zach Sieler off the Raven's practice squad. IMO he's had a lot more missies than hits. Whether it is players not being good enough or just not being able to avoid serious injury.

When you look at the top teams in the league such as the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, Eagles & Bills as well as the young up and coming teams like the Lions, Packers and now even the Broncos. Most those teams have had better success building their teams than Chris Grier has done with the Dolphins. When you consider that Grier had more resources from 2020 - 2022 than pretty much any other GM has had this decade, the results are not close to being good enough. The fact that they can't even seriously compete with the Bills in the division just reeks of failure.

Compare what Grier has done to what Howie Roseman has done in Philadelphia. Look at how many players drafted over the past 5 years are starting on the Dolphins roster to those starting on the Eagles. Neither team is in great shape salary cap wise but the Eagles have a lot more up and coming young players compared to the Dolphins. The Eagles have also won their division for the 2nd straight season and now they sit at 12-2 tied for the 2nd best record in the league while the Dolphins look like they are headed in the wrong direction which will most likely be a losing season.

As I said, I want a GM and Head Coach that can build a team to seriously contend with the best teams in the league. I want a team that every season you can seriously say will contend for a Championship or at least be able to win a playoff game or two. I just don't see that happening with either Grier or McDaniel running the team.

 

[Finswatch]

Yep. I think Miami will keep Grier and McDaniel for one more year, though.

what would the point be? Another year of this? Ross hasn't been patient in the past and yesterday was a complete embarrassment.

I felt like Dante in Clerks "I'm not supposed to be here today" because I had plans that fell through which left me free to watch the most depressing, disappointing game I've seen in 50 years as a fan. this game was the culmination of TONS of bad draft choices and coaching mistakes as well. Danny Crossman shouldn't be here, Mc D shouldn't be here and good Lord, where did you find Jackson Carman? Is he a RT or a turnstile at a department store?

Grier isn't a GM, he's an arsonist who's been given tons of money, freedom and opportunities and has just lit the place on fire and then sprayed it with napalm for good measure.

Grier has been irresponsible with the owner's money and the team will get called out nationally and locally today for being soft. It does matter that guys like Hyde are calling for the GM to go.

Ross, a NY guy, has to care about what the Jets did in the past weeks and months. He has to care that the Bills are thriving because they are built better and tougher. Ross has fired other GMs and coaches for far less, imo.

 

[Finswatch]

I'm definitely starting to feel that way. My fear with McDaniel is that he's good enough to stick around for awhile, but not the answer.

I hope I'm wrong and that he can continue to develop. There have been a lot of positives. I also keep coming back to how bad the offensive line is and, if that can be upgraded, how that would impact McDaniel and the team.

Look at Green Bay as an example. LaFleur comes from the same system. What's the biggest difference between the two teams? Besides overall physicality, I'd say it's the offensive line.

Grier? Well, he's really tied to McDaniel right now. He's generally not a bad GM, but certainly could argue that no playoff wins in nine years means he should be replaced.

I just don't see Ross doing that this year.

I have to disagree on Grier. He is a bad GM. He has compounded bad draft picks and trades with crazy extensions that meant he had to let good players walk. he hired mcDaniel and for every Jonnu Smith there are five Jordan Poyers.

You are dead on with the results comment, no playoff wins in nine years is the biggest indictment of this man's work.