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What does Joe do well as a coach? I am not asking rhetorically. Does he game plan well? Does he motivate? Play call? Hire a great staff? Develop?
 
So 11 years is to long if Cincy wins it all this season??? I think I'd take that as a fan.

I'm not saying give the guy 9 years. I'm saying 2 years is not enough time to improve a roster develop a rookie QB and win it all or else.

Didn't say John Fox was brilliant but he's considered a awesome coach all of a sudden. Actually no he's brilliant he coached tebow to a playoff win - debate over on that

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Hayden I don't work at the facility so I can't speak to his motivation of players or his game plans.
 
Hayden Fox said:
What does Joe do well as a coach? I am not asking rhetorically. Does he game plan well? Does he motivate? Play call? Hire a great staff? Develop?
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Well, he does a great Stan Laurel stare.

 
Don't agree with the mindset that if you leave someone in place eventually they will win. The Bengals have had 5 winning seasons in the last 23 with Mike Brown known as one of the worst owners in history of the NFL. Dave Shula lost fifty games faster than any NFL coach in history (69 games). Bruce Coslet resigned with a 21-39 record in 2000 before Brown would even fire him. Marvin Lewis is only slightly over 500 after this 11-5 season in his 11 years there.

I would agree that they have put together excellent talent that last 5 years though I don't think that team will ever win it all with Dalton at QB. Regardless, I'd prefer not to suck 18 out of 23 years before putting together a consistent winner.
 
Let's hire a coach and tell them after there first loss they get fired. Cause clearly the first sign of adversity shows they aren't cut out to lead.

Maybe 1 game contracts. Then we can get a great sample of their game planning ability and motivational characteristics. Which are only evident by the CBS coverage when they show the coach.
 
Hayden Fox said:
What does Joe do well as a coach? I am not asking rhetorically. Does he game plan well? Does he motivate? Play call? Hire a great staff? Develop?
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He's not a moron. Beyond that who the **** knows what he does or doesn't do well, I don't and neither do you. If he wins the next few years I'm sure somebody will be jonny on the spot and point it out. I have a pretty good nose for what coaches turn out to be terrible and Philbin doesn't smell terrible to me, its much harder to predict greatness but I'm pretty sure he's not terrible at the very least.
 
Dolfan4life said:
Let's hire a coach and tell them after there first loss they get fired. Cause clearly the first sign of adversity shows they aren't cut out to lead.

Maybe 1 game contracts. Then we can get a great sample of their game planning ability and motivational characteristics. Which are only evident by the CBS coverage when they show the coach.
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while you're at it, you want to take your ball and go home too?
 
roy_miami said:
He's not a moron. Beyond that who the **** knows what he does or doesn't do well, I don't and neither do you. If he wins the next few years I'm sure somebody will be jonny on the spot and point it out. I have a pretty good nose for what coaches turn out to be terrible and Philbin doesn't smell terrible to me, its much harder to predict greatness but I'm pretty sure he's not terrible at the very least.
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Seriously? You cannot tell what a coach's strengths and weaknesses are?

Joe's has been stubborn with his belief systems, terrible at adjusting at half time, lousy in motivating his troops in big spots, questionable at being able to finish games and uneven at best developing talent.

I would give him credit for being steady with his team during the Martin saga. However, I am wondering more if this is "coaching" or his being a strong administrator?
 
Hayden Fox said:
Seriously? You cannot tell what a coach's strengths and weaknesses are?

Joe's has been stubborn with his belief systems, terrible at adjusting at half time, lousy in motivating his troops in big spots, questionable at being able to finish games and uneven at best developing talent.

I would give him credit for being steady with his team during the Martin saga. However, I am wondering more if this is "coaching" or his being a strong administrator?
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um, he keeps the place tidy??
 
Horrible comparison with Marvin Lewis. Not to mention, there were a few instances where Lewis was on the verge of parting ways with the Bengals. A lot of questions about how much input Lewis should have in personnel decisions, etc. It has been a bumpy ride. But Lewis has good coordinators, they've made some very good personnel moves - drafting AJ Green, Bernard, taking shot on Burfict, etc.

And I would not want to aspire to keeping a coach who hasn't won a damn thing in 11 years.
 
Ok I'll take my ball.

Why not fire a coach after 1 loss. It's as logical as trying to say Philbin doesn't game plan well when no person outside those walls in Davie knows the stupid game plan.

You guys act like Philbin says gameplan is to snap the ball into fields head while he's not looking. Or to lose a yard on 4th and inches. Or better yet his gameplan is to give up 1 million sacks.

Or he doesn't motivate because he reads off cards. You think you see the entire locker room speech anyway. It's called editing. You think they show the whole thing. Come on.

No coach will ever meet yiur expectations. The first time he doesn't challenge a play that you think he should you'll say yiur gut tells you he's not a good game manager.

If they continue to suck and clearly regress and I mean regress then I'll say can him. But I want to see him succeed. I want Tannehill to succeed.

Players grow into their own and so do coaches (Tom Coughlin is a great example).

This was not supposed to be a Super Bowl year. Playoffs yes and they almost made it.
 
ForksPhin said:
Horrible comparison with Marvin Lewis. Not to mention, there were a few instances where Lewis was on the verge of parting ways with the Bengals. A lot of questions about how much input Lewis should have in personnel decisions, etc. It has been a bumpy ride. But Lewis has good coordinators, they've made some very good personnel moves - drafting AJ Green, Bernard, taking shot on Burfict, etc.

And I would not want to aspire to keeping a coach who hasn't won a damn thing in 11 years.
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He should have been fired Monday with the other bums then in your opinion?
 
from your side of things Dolfan4life, what changes need to be made if Philbin does keep his job- if any in your view? Does Sherman get more time as well or do you think he should get fired? Should Ireland stay as well or do we bring in a new GM who understands Philbin is here to stay?
 
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