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Tua has a quicker release time than Dan Marino...

NBP81 said:
He didnt say it was for his development, he said it was what's best for the team... Flores has always said he does what gives the team the best chance to win.
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Dude that was his quote, not mine.
I copied and pasted that statement from an article quoting him.
 
lurking said:
Dude that was his quote, not mine.
I copied and pasted that statement from an article quoting him.
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If you dont feel like going through the whole thing, "this is what we felt was best for the team" is mentionned about 5 times and not once does he say anything close to it being about Tua's development...
 
NBP81 said:
If you dont feel like going through the whole thing, "this is what we felt was best for the team" is mentionned about 5 times and not once does he say anything close to it being about Tua's development...
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You can take it up with the writer,
CAMERON WOLFE ESPN Staff Writer.
It was his article, not mine.
Just because you posted a clip of him not mentioning it, doesn’t mean that he never said it. Maybe it was from another interview, I don’t know. Try reaching out to him maybe he can answer that for you.
 
lurking said:
You can take it up with the writer,
CAMERON WOLFE ESPN Staff Writer.
It was his article, not mine.
Just because you posted a clip of him not mentioning it, doesn’t mean that he never said it. Maybe it was from another interview, I don’t know. Try reaching out to him maybe he can answer that for you.
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Brother Lurking, I have no intention write Mr. Wolfe a letter, he's not the one who said:
lurking said:
Fact, They didn’t make the switch because of turnovers, the plan all along was to make the switch on the bye week.
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I'm also pretty sure he wasnt behind the plan to use one quote from one of his article out of context?(Which you didnt link) to prove your point.
lurking said:
I can’t find the video of Flo explaining the situation, but here’s a clip of an article.
“The other side of the coin is that the move sends Fitzpatrick, a beloved player in the locker room, to the bench. He was playing really well, so the move wasn't about his play as much as it was about Tagovailoa's development.“
And there’s other articles stating the same thing. Can you provide a link or article stating that the dolphins benched him because of his play as you say.
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In the last sentence of the post above, you're asking for a link or an article, I thought the actual PC where Flo gets asked 10 different ways why he made the switch would be a good source of information.

NBP81 said:
If you dont feel like going through the whole thing, "this is what we felt was best for the team" is mentionned about 5 times and not once does he say anything close to it being about Tua's development...
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All Im saying is there's nothing in there that points to the move being a planned thing or about Tua's development... So not only your original statement wasnt a fact, it was probably flat out false. Im also pretty sure you werent trying to make **** up, Im not trying to put you down, just trying to clear up what the reasons were for the change, from the HC himself.
 
RobertHorry said:
Timing, Anticipation, and release is what matters more than arm strength.

Arm strength doesn't really matter in the NFL, it's all about anticipation. But more than anything of that, it's about trusting your receivers. Here is an example for you.

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Preston Williams is running a deep out route. Lets say on his 8th step he decides to plant his inside foot, sink his hips and explode at angle for the out route.

Tua decides to throw is before he even plants his inside foot, causing the ball to be there when he breaks out of his cut. Ball arrives perfectly on time. Its bang bang and the DB has zero chance of picking it off.

Now lets take another player in Lynn Bowden. Bowden decides to shimmy and take a giant hop step at his 8th step. He stutters for another few steps then rounds out his cut and goes to the out. Tua holds and is unable to throw because he doesn't hit his marks when Tua is ready to let go before Lynn sinks and his hips and cuts. This messes up timing and anticipation. But what it does more than anything is mess up the trust.

Tua will start trusting Preston because he runs his routes and is where he needs to be when he needs to be. When Lynn Bowden runs routes, he isn't and that messes with a QB in a bad way like Tua.

Now lets take Herbert. Herbert is notorious even in his San Diego tape, to be late on throws because of his arm strength. He will throw that out route AFTER the player makes his cut, but can get it there because of his arm. However, his anticipation still lacks immensely. But it doesn't matter because of his arm strength and it can overcome the timing issues. But he doesn't need trust because he can get the ball to his player.

What teams will start doing next year (at least I think) is start running back that Rex Ryan cover 2 blitz scheme when playing Herbert. It allows the DB's to jump and also squat on routes. Herbert really did well this year off using his arm and relying it over everything else. But watch the Patriots game. Belicheck turned up the blitz and pressure to an 11 and Herbert got flustered badly. Watch next year. Teams will start using a zone blitz defense and watch Herbert's eyes and his lack of anticipation and timing to start jumping his routes.

Anyways long story short. Tua is all about anticipation and timing. Get receivers he trusts and he could have the weakest arm in the NFL and still dominate. Because a QB that can release it faster than anyone else with excellent anticipation and trust in his receivers is impossible to defend.
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Very nice explanation. Really shows an example of how a completed pass isn't all on the QB.
 
mrbunglez said:
**** Marino. He spoiled all these fans and now every QB that comes here gets compared to him.
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dan made watching the dolphins fun, aside from watching ricky carry the ball 45 times a game in the early 2000s whats been fun about the last 20 years? we watched a carousel of qbs between fiedler and tannehill who were garbage, we had one year where pennington noodled us into the playoffs while brady was hurt but its a slap in the face to the fans of this franchise to have cleo lemon as your starting qb and john beck as his backup...

while everyone gets compared to marino noone compares to marino
 
andyahs said:
With 0 Super Bowls or National Championships to boot.
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yup, youre right...but dan was a much more natural passer with alot more juice in his arm...marino played on alot of teams with lackluster supporting casts and with dan you were always in the game...dan always played to win while right now tua plays not to lose
 
Nawledge said:
yup, youre right...but dan was a much more natural passer with alot more juice in his arm...marino played on alot of teams with lackluster supporting casts and with dan you were always in the game...dan always played to win while right now tua plays not to lose
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Oh don't disagree and love watching Dan play, such a fluid passer but Tua can get it done as he has shown.
 
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NBP81 said:
Brother Lurking, I have no intention write Mr. Wolfe a letter, he's not the one who said:

I'm also pretty sure he wasnt behind the plan to use one quote from one of his article out of context?(Which you didnt link) to prove your point.

In the last sentence of the post above, you're asking for a link or an article, I thought the actual PC where Flo gets asked 10 different ways why he made the switch would be a good source of information.



All Im saying is there's nothing in there that points to the move being a planned thing or about Tua's development... So not only your original statement wasnt a fact, it was probably flat out false. Im also pretty sure you werent trying to make **** up, Im not trying to put you down, just trying to clear up what the reasons were for the change, from the HC himself.
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Link:

Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores says starting Tua Tagovailoa is what's best for team​

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CAMERON WOLFEESPN Staff WriterOct 21, 20203 Minute Read
Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores confirmed Wednesday morning that the team will start quarterback Tua Tagovailoa against the Los Angeles Rams on Nov. 1, after the team's bye week.
It’s in this article.
Also in that original post it was more about Fitz being benched because of performance and he clearly wasn’t. In your link Flo said it was what’s best for the future. He says that often.
But I’m still waiting for the link stating Fitz was benched for performance.
 
NBP81 said:
No...lol! He clearly says its what's best for the team, multiple times...
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At 3:23 he says it was the best move for us going forward. Take a look at the 11:00
mark. that’s a good one😂 Thanks.
so back to the link, do you have a link saying Fitz was benched because a performance.
 
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