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Tua Tagovailoa has given Dolphins answers they needed and earned new contract

As someone who argues against Tua getting a ridiculous payday, I've actually been quite impressed by how well Tua's done his job in big games this season. I generally don't think he was the reason the team got blown out in Buffalo or lost at Philly.

I also expected (based on his history) that he'd likely suffer some injury set-back by week 13/14 but to his credit he got through it. I'm very happy about that.

And honestly, I think he's been quite good in a lot of big games.

I suppose the argument you could make against Tua is that his limitations force the offense around him to operate on-schedule and for everyone to execute a highly-orchestrated plan. That strategy does mean your top WRs are all the more important and that back-ups become problematic for not just physical limitation but mental awareness as well. We saw that in Philly.

We've seen the operation struggle against better defenses and when the starters are out. So, there is pressure there to somehow surround Tua with intelligent WRs who are still talented enough to win quickly and stay healthy. I suppose there is evidence to suggest that simply isn't a winning strategy but I think in time it'll become less an issue.

But hey, the Colts did that with Peyton Manning for a long time. Brees made it work in NO. It's not impossible. I just wish the Dolphins ran the ball more and established a more 49ers-esque physical identity rather than a timing offense that always came out throwing because of Tua and Tyreek being present.
 
Ryan1973 said:
But he has played bad in most of those games. He was bad against the 49ers and Chargers last year. He was bad against the Bills, Eagles, Chiefs, and Ravens this year. Ya the defense was terrible in the Bills and Ravens games but he didn't elevate his game either. I hope he proves me wrong this Sunday night and in the playoffs but until he does I can't trust him in the big games. He can't carry a team like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Jackson can. So that is why I don't think he should be paid like them.
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See there's the problem, right there.

You say Tua was bad against the 49ers and Bills this year which is just not true.

Tua had the 3rd best QB performance against the 49ers all season last year.

The Bills this year, if you believe that was bad QB play then there's no point even discussing this further with you.

Again, it's clear you apparently believe if Miami loses and Tua doesn't throw for 300+yards with 2 +TDS, then he played bad.
 
GRYPHONK said:
See there's the problem, right there.

You say Tua was bad against the 49ers and Bills this year which is just not true.

Tua had the 3rd best QB performance against the 49ers all season last year.

The Bills this year, if you believe that was bad QB play then there's no point even discussing this further with you.

Again, it's clear you apparently believe if Miami loses and Tua doesn't throw for 300+yards with 2 +TDS, then he played bad.
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Ya he did play bad against the 49ers. He was missing throws all over the field and threw 2 interceptions. He had a QB rating of 79.7 in that game. That isn't very good at all. He wasn't much better against the Bills this year. He had one touchdown and 1 interception. Achane running the ball was the one bright spot in that game.
 
Ryan1973 said:
Ya he did play bad against the 49ers. He was missing throws all over the field and threw 2 interceptions. He had a QB rating of 79.7 in that game. That isn't very good at all. He wasn't much better against the Bills this year. He had one touchdown and 1 interception. Achane running the ball was the one bright spot in that game.
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Ahh, I see.

So now, conveniently for yah, QB rating matters? Huh?

Is that your stance? Rating matters now?

If so, you just proved my point why Tua has been more reliable and consistent then Josh Allen.

Thanks for that buddy

Agendas are funny things. Especially when consistency in argument doesn't need to apply
 
GRYPHONK said:
Ahh, I see.

So now, conveniently for yah, QB rating matters? Huh?

Is that your stance? Rating matters now?

If so, you just proved my point why Tua has been more reliable and consistent then Josh Allen.

Thanks for that buddy
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Ya and how many people would take Tua over Josh Allen? Let's see who has the bigger game on Sunday night!
 
Ryan1973 said:
Ya and how many people would take Tua over Josh Allen? Let's see who has the bigger game on Sunday night!
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*Raises hand*

A lot of Buffalo's struggles this year are because the bad Josh Allen is showing up as much as the good Josh Allen plus the defence was banged up for a while and couldn't cover for Allen's poor play.

Once Josh Allen's legs give out, he's not a very good pocket passer. He's going to get Cam Newton'ed at some point. Josh Allen has had his full starting OL, his WR1, WR2 and HB1 play every single game this season (Knox missed some games but a 1st round rookie played instead) and he's got a passer rating of 91.5 this year, absolutely bang average. That's with nothing missing from his offence all year. Tua is posting a 103 passer rating while having to deal with the backups backup at some positions on the line and WR1 and WR2 missing games.

Also, in your big game list, Tua was actually outstanding against the Eagles if you watch the throws he was making against the pressure he was facing. That was actually one of his better games this season but the stat line doesn't show it.

Maybe you need to watch how the other QB's do against the best defences as you are going to be shocked at how poorly some of them play. When Tua posts a league average passer rating of 90 people claim he's had a poor game, he's being held to standards other QB's are not. He's not going to play like he did against Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago last season or San Diego this season every week but that seems to be the standard some hold him to.
 
Springveldt said:
*Raises hand*

A lot of Buffalo's struggles this year are because the bad Josh Allen is showing up as much as the good Josh Allen plus the defence was banged up for a while and couldn't cover for Allen's poor play.

Once Josh Allen's legs give out, he's not a very good pocket passer. He's going to get Cam Newton'ed at some point. Josh Allen has had his full starting OL, his WR1, WR2 and HB1 play every single game this season (Knox missed some games but a 1st round rookie played instead) and he's got a passer rating of 91.5 this year, absolutely bang average. That's with nothing missing from his offence all year. Tua is posting a 103 passer rating while having to deal with the backups backup at some positions on the line and WR1 and WR2 missing games.

Also, in your big game list, Tua was actually outstanding against the Eagles if you watch the throws he was making against the pressure he was facing. That was actually one of his better games this season but the stat line doesn't show it.

Maybe you need to watch how the other QB's do against the best defences as you are going to be shocked at how poorly some of them play. When Tua posts a league average passer rating of 90 people claim he's had a poor game, he's being held to standards other QB's are not. He's not going to play like he did against Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago last season or San Diego this season every week but that seems to be the standard some hold him to.
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And how many offensive points did the Dolphins score against a bad Eagles defense? 10 fricken points! The name of the game is scoring points and they couldn't get it done in that game.
 
Ryan1973 said:
And how many offensive points did the Dolphins score against a bad Eagles defense? 10 fricken points! The name of the game is scoring points and they couldn't get it done in that game.
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And that was Tua's fault that Tyreek dropped a TD, that an official gave a bogus holding call to pull a TD back and that an official turned a complete blind eye to a blatant facemask call down inside the 10 and another official ignored a blatant pass interference at the 1 yard line on the interception?
 
Ryan1973 said:
Proving what point? That you think Tua is better than Josh Allen? lol
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Well, according to you QB rating was conveniently important for your agenda on that 1 game.

So if that's the case, and rating is important. Then it's not me saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

Your own argument is saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

See that's the funny thing with agendas. Unless you stay consistent, which you don't, then your own argument or reasoning eventually proves the other sides point.

So thank you, again, for proving that Tua is better then Josh Allen
 
GRYPHONK said:
Well, according to you QB rating was conveniently important for your agenda on that 1 game.

So if that's the case, and rating is important. Then it's not me saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

Your own argument is saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

See that's the funny thing with agendas. Unless you stay consistent, which you don't, then your own argument or reasoning eventually proves the other sides point.

So thank you, again, for proving that Tua is better then Josh Allen
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Lol good one!
 
GRYPHONK said:
Well, according to you QB rating was conveniently important for your agenda on that 1 game.

So if that's the case, and rating is important. Then it's not me saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

Your own argument is saying Tua is better then Josh Allen.

See that's the funny thing with agendas. Unless you stay consistent, which you don't, then your own argument or reasoning eventually proves the other sides point.

So thank you, again, for proving that Tua is better then Josh Allen
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You are arguing with stupid.
 
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