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Tua Tagovailoa has given Dolphins answers they needed and earned new contract

why would that article get written right after we got killed by the ravens and tua and the offense didn't look so hot? wonder if the team put the reporter up to it, which means it is coming and this is their way of prepping people. timing of that article is odd. normally something like that gets written after a great performance by the qb
 
From this thread.

Tua has to beat Buffalo to get an extension.

Or

Tua has to win a playoff game to get an extension.

Or

Tua has to win multiple playoff games to get an extension

Or

Tua has to win a Superbowl to get an extension.

Why are no other QBs held to this standard when they get an extension?
Complete ignorance, or wishful thinking by these morons- no matter the outcome the next few weeks, Tua earned his extension and will be getting paid in accordance with the top signal callers in the league
 
For the most part, teams win by their QB playing well. Some teams are blessed with good defenses to assist when needed. The point is that Tua typically plays poorly in games even when the defense isn't playing well and typically these are against good teams and all the other games where he doesn't have this issue are against bad teams. It's a pretty noticeable trend
I’ve already posted earlier in this thread or another one but league passer rating average is around 91.

In the last 2 seasons Tua has had 9 games were his passer rating is 92 or below. The Dolphins are 1-8 in those games.

The Bills have 15 games in the last 2 seasons were Allen has a 92 rating or lower. They are 9-6 in those games.

This Miami team doesn’t win unless Tua plays better than average. That’s a lot of pressure to put on your QB every time he steps on the field. They have to find a way to win games when Tua is average or poor, other teams find ways to win games in those situations.
 
From this thread.

Tua has to beat Buffalo to get an extension.

Or

Tua has to win a playoff game to get an extension.

Or

Tua has to win multiple playoff games to get an extension

Or

Tua has to win a Superbowl to get an extension.

Why are no other QBs held to this standard when they get an extension?

Cause the mofos who are posting that shet are Latrine flies buzzing around looking for turds to feast on. 😂
 
What loss have we had where Tua actually played really well? That Falcons game 2 years ago? Not much else comes to mind. Even if Tua is never the MAIN reason in a loss, he never looks like one of the best players on the field

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I’ve already posted earlier in this thread or another one but league passer rating average is around 91.

In the last 2 seasons Tua has had 9 games were his passer rating is 92 or below. The Dolphins are 1-8 in those games.

The Bills have 15 games in the last 2 seasons were Allen has a 92 rating or lower. They are 9-6 in those games.

This Miami team doesn’t win unless Tua plays better than average. That’s a lot of pressure to put on your QB every time he steps on the field. They have to find a way to win games when Tua is average or poor, other teams find ways to win games in those situations.
Won't let me make the image better. In the last 2 seasons...
Josh Allen has 17 games under 92 rating... Other notables...
Trevor Lawrence 16
Lamar Jackson 15
Justin Herbert 15
Jalen Hurts 14
Pat Mahomes 12
Joe Burrow 12


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Tua doesn't play poorly in big games.

What people are trying to describe is how an offense based around Tua's quick throws will sometimes bog down and how historically (even at Alabama) there has typically been very little alternative to jump start the offense.

In 2018, Bama was unstoppable against a slew of meaningless teams during the regular season. Then they faced GA in the SEC Title Game (this was the year Bama played Trevor Lawrence and Clemson for the National Championship). In the SEC Title Game, the Bulldogs hit Tua and shut down the Tide's offense. I think Tua had around 160 passing yards and 2 picks.

The Tide simply didn't have an answer until Tua was pulled with another ankle injury and Jalen Hurts was inserted. Hurts ended up jump-starting the offense with his rushing and won the game much like Tua had done a year prior in the National Championship.

To me, it's this type of performance which Tua has run from his entire career. When a good defense prepares for the Tua attack and knows how to disrupt it a bit, there's just not much of a counter because Tua isn't a runner or scrambler.

It has very little to due with Tua suddenly becoming inaccurate or something. It's just hard to find an answer when Plan A gets thwarted. Tua is not the type of QB who possesses the skills necessary to take the game into his hands. He relies on his pass protection and WRs to do their part and so the system has to work. When it doesn't, there's little the coaches can do.

This is the QB you drafted. You knew the system would need to stay intact even in difficult circumstances. The team's job is to never let it get to the point of needing their Drew Brees to run around and make plays. That's never going to happen and you could see it pretty early on.


I for one think Tua has played remarkably well in big games this year, pressing less than he ever has. The problem is he still needs the system to work around him. When the OL allows some pressure or a WR runs the wrong route and a ball lands in some empty void in coverage it's easy for the whole house of cards to fall down and the system to look inept at times.

This is the double-edged sword of having a highly-structured offense. Your QB can do all the right things and someone else can still screw it up. There's an inherent lack of robustness which ties directly to Tua and the nature of an offense built around his skillset.

This isn't anyone's "fault" per se rather something innate within something so highly-structured. The truth is that guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson just don't operate within as much structure and it's part of what increases the robustness of those teams' operation. There's less that has to go right. That's why people favor those types of QBs in today's modern NFL. Defenses are really good and scripting stuff only goes so far.

See Cam Newton. See all the other running QBs.
 
I’ve already posted earlier in this thread or another one but league passer rating average is around 91.

In the last 2 seasons Tua has had 9 games were his passer rating is 92 or below. The Dolphins are 1-8 in those games.

The Bills have 15 games in the last 2 seasons were Allen has a 92 rating or lower. They are 9-6 in those games.

This Miami team doesn’t win unless Tua plays better than average. That’s a lot of pressure to put on your QB every time he steps on the field. They have to find a way to win games when Tua is average or poor, other teams find ways to win games in those situations.

This argument has become somewhat common in the last few weeks as it makes its way around the internet but I don't think it's convincing anyone, IMHO.

What people are complaining about is something we all see. When the Tua offense doesn't work, the Dolphins offense as a whole looks mediocre and sometimes downright stagnant.

The Tua offense is highly scripted and based mostly around quick throws to the short-to-intermediate areas up and between the numbers. When that element of the passing offense is taken away by a good defense, Miami's Tua-centric offense doesn't have the traditional drop-back content or the new-school scrambling element other offenses turn to--and McDaniel doesn't feature the run enough. So blame him, too.

There's a reason that when Tua's stats aren't good the Dolphins lose...it's become they don't do the other stuff that's required to counter.

So the poor record(s) you're pointing to...are they a defense of Tua as a QB or are they a critique of the limitations we should expect from an offense built around Tua? Granted, if Miami had better pass protection, I'd feel better about Tua being able to step into more throws outside the numbers. That can't be understated.

To me, it goes both ways. As a professional NFL QB, Tua has to attack outside the numbers with conventional drop-back passing and scramble more consistently at least to the extent that Dak does (~200-yds per year). He's probably never going to do either consistently so a good defense can defeat him. It's not impossible though. Tua was on pace for almost 180-yds during his 2nd season under Flores. He needs that element in his game.

Truth is, Tua made a lot of plays with his legs in college, a lot of plays that were reminiscent of Russell Wilson. I think that's what we all thought we were getting. The last 2 years, Tua hasn't done much running at all and it's limited the offense. While he's remained healthy this year, the offense lacks a counter when the middle of the field and the seams are covered. It's not a perfect offense.

If Tua runs more, there's a chance of injury. If he throws outside the numbers the INTs will likely go up. It makes sense that taking on more risk may be a bad thing but that's precisely why the Dolphins often have bad games and flat out lose. When it works, it works. When it doesn't, there's no counter.
 
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This argument has become somewhat common in the last few weeks as it makes its way around the internet but I don't think it's convincing anyone, IMHO.

What people are complaining about is something we all see. When the Tua offense doesn't work, the Dolphins offense as a whole looks mediocre and sometimes downright stagnant.

The Tua offense is highly scripted and based mostly around quick throws to the short-to-intermediate areas up and between the numbers. When that element of the passing offense is taken away by a good defense, Miami's Tua-centric offense doesn't have the traditional drop-back content or the new-school scrambling element other offenses turn to--and McDaniel doesn't feature the run enough. So blame him, too.

There's a reason that when Tua's stats aren't good the Dolphins lose...it's become they don't do the other stuff that's required to counter.

So the poor record(s) you're pointing to...are they a defense of Tua as a QB or are they a critique of the limitations we should expect from an offense built around Tua?

To me, it goes both ways. As a professional NFL QB, Tua has to attack outside the numbers with conventional drop-back passing and scramble more consistently at least the extent that Dak does (~200-yds per year). He's probably never going to do either consistently so a good defense can defeat him.

Truth is, Tua made a lot of plays with his legs in college, a lot of plays that were reminiscent of Russell Wilson. I think that's what we all thought we were getting. The last 2 years, Tua hasn't done much running at all and it's limited the offense. While he's remained healthy this year, the offense lacks a counter when the middle of the field and the seams are covered. It's not a perfect offense.
Well done! You nailed it!
 
why would that article get written right after we got killed by the ravens and tua and the offense didn't look so hot? wonder if the team put the reporter up to it, which means it is coming and this is their way of prepping people. timing of that article is odd. normally something like that gets written after a great performance by the qb
Won't let me make the image better. In the last 2 seasons...
Josh Allen has 17 games under 92 rating... Other notables...
Trevor Lawrence 16
Lamar Jackson 15
Justin Herbert 15
Jalen Hurts 14
Pat Mahomes 12
Joe Burrow 12


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Very interesting.

So, pretty much every single starting QB in the league has more games under a 90 rating, these last 2 seasons then Tua?

The exceptions are Aaron Rodgers who was out all season. But he's tied with Tua.
CJ Stroud- a rookie with 2 less and only 1 season of play
Jimmy G- 1 less similar to Rodgers.

Yet, posters seriously want to complain of Tuas poor QB play.
 
What you mean is an Offensive Line...

Yeah, absolutely.

Miami has to be better about getting the horrible players off the line. It took too long to replace Jesse Davis and Eichenberg is the new guy who needed to go ages back.

Then again, we also have to accept reality. The OL won't ever be perfect. Every fanbase says they have the worst OL and every QB either makes his line look better or worse than it is. We learned during Tannehill's time that his lack of pocket presence and his sack totals weren't just bad blocking. He was making it worse. Tua's certainly someone who makes his line look better than it is, but it'll never be perfect. Miami needs to run more.

Personally, I have my suspicions that getting a certain player to 2,000-yds was over-emphasized this season. Just my opinion, of course.
 
Very interesting.

So, pretty much every single starting QB in the league has more games under a 90 rating, these last 2 seasons then Tua?

The exceptions are Aaron Rodgers who was out all season. But he's tied with Tua.
CJ Stroud- a rookie with 2 less and only 1 season of play
Jimmy G- 1 less similar to Rodgers.

Yet, posters seriously want to complain of Tuas poor QB play.

I think anyone complaining about Tua isn't recalling how frustrating our previous QBs were.

One thing I'm grateful for is that regardless of how I feel about contract extensions and all that, I recall how awesome it felt to watch Tua play against Arizona during his 2nd start.

The upgrade in pocket presence and instinct over literally every QB I'd ever witnessed don a Dolphins jersey was evident that day. I've never forgotten that feeling.
 
Yet, posters seriously want to complain of Tuas poor QB play.
The main reason is that most casual fans will watch Fins games in their entirety and only catch highlights of the other games... Lack of understand of how stats work is also a player here... You've got people saying that while Tua is top in the league in most stats, it doesn't matter because he's somehow less consistent than other, better QBs... Which makes no sense whatsoever.
 
The main reason is that most casual fans will watch Fins games in their entirety and only catch highlights of the other games... Lack of understand of how stats work is also a player here... You've got people saying that while Tua is top in the league in most stats, it doesn't matter because he's somehow less consistent than other, better QBs... Which makes no sense whatsoever.

Perfectly stated
 
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