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Tua Tale of the Tape

Ray R said:
As I recall, most of those inaccuracies were when he was just after his "recovering" from a hand injury. It was clear to me he was having trouble with gripping the football.
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Well the troubling part is that if you look at his rookie year stats and his 2nd year stats he had issues in the same part of the field over the middle. That is why I mention it.
 
NY8123 said:
Well the troubling part is that if you look at his rookie year stats and his 2nd year stats he had issues in the same part of the field over the middle. That is why I mention it.
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Is there any correlation relative to post injury play and the types of plays called?
 
NY8123 said:
Well the troubling part is that if you look at his rookie year stats and his 2nd year stats he had issues in the same part of the field over the middle. That is why I mention it.
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His lack of height just prevents him from seeing the field well. Its just an issue that cant be solved . Brees had the same issue but the Saints developed blocking schemes that allowed him for clearer lanes to see through.
 
njFinsForever said:
Really us fans just need to root for this kid to succeed. I think some fall into the trap of wanting to be right about their assessment this guy doesn't have the goods to succeed at this level. Give him a decent offense to work worth, then draw your conclusions on his career trajectory. He's in a fins uniform, making rookie contract money, no reason for fin fans to hate
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Fan doesnt have anything do w Tua being good or bad.
 
NY8123 said:
Well the troubling part is that if you look at his rookie year stats and his 2nd year stats he had issues in the same part of the field over the middle. That is why I mention it.
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I would look into a deeper drop if I were the dolphins staff, like Wilson and Murray do
 
djphinfan said:
I disagree with that narrative that because Tua has better weapons his job is much easier, I believe it takes more talent to facilitate to those talented skill players.

You have to anticipate differently, a higher level, you have to place and position the ball differently with higher level players, that takes more talent.

Your skills have to keep up with their skills

Playing Qb isn’t just about throwing into tight windows..

Try throwing a ball accurately to a 4.3 guy rather than a less talented slower guy.
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Tua threw to many so called talented guys, and looked like the QB to Draft when he came out.

Tua's issue is not having problems figuring out where to place the ball for a 4.3 guy, rather then a 4.5 guy, his problem was when am I about to get buried this time, if I don't get rid of the ball.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I wouldn't be surprised with the added talent around him, the new coaching staff etc., if Tua is ranked among the top 5 quarterbacks this year.
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WOW....... That would be remarkable to say the least. It would surely surprise me. Not because I think he sucks, but top 5 would mean in the neighborhood of 5000 yds / 35TDs. Quite a jump, particularly for a guy in the first year of a completely new scheme.
 
Mach2 said:
WOW....... That would be remarkable to say the least. It would surely surprise me. Not because I think he sucks, but top 5 would mean in the neighborhood of 5000 yds / 35TDs. Quite a jump, particularly for a guy in the first year of a completely new scheme.
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I'm thinking in terms of ESPN ratings and traditional quarterback ratings.

I think we'll see a very efficient season from Tua, close to 70 percent completion percentage, some bigger plays, maybe 30+ touchdowns.
 
gofins60 said:
"The numbers suggest that Tua could be very efficient in a timing-based offense with better game plans and better playmakers. Both of which he now has."

I don't like this statement at all, as I assume that a timing-based offense means quick, short passes and I'm sick and tired of dink-and-dunk! If they can finally get half-decent o-line blocking this year along with a running game, then with Waddle and Hill as WRs I expect to see more big plays made downfield. I know Tua can throw deep, but most of the stats suggest that he's better at short passes. I really hope that Tua gets the protection needed to let WRs get open downfield so that the team can see how successful he is making those throws, or if he needs to be replaced. What I don't want to see is McDaniel running another short pass offense like Miami did in 2021. I can somewhat understand why they did it since they had the worst o-line in the league and no blocking. But, if your offense is mostly short passes because the QB is no good at going deep, then you don't have a good QB, and hiding that fact behind a dink-and-dunk offense is not a recipe for success.

IMO, it's pretty sad that no one knows what Tua can do because the team failed to give him a running game, or semi-adequate blocking!
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Or a dink and dunk is another way of controlling the clock. Wear the defense down by keeping them on the field longer means potential for big plays because they are tired.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I'm thinking in terms of ESPN ratings and traditional quarterback ratings.

I think we'll see a very efficient season from Tua, close to 70 percent completion percentage, some bigger plays, maybe 30+ touchdowns.
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Fair enough.

Passer rating is a very context dependent metric, IMO. A QB can have a pretty good PR, without moving the ball or scoring a lot of points. For example, Russel Wilson posted an impressive 103.1 but threw for barely 3100 yds, while TB had a PR of102.1 (1 point less) while throwing for an eye popping 5300 yds. It's obvious to me who was the better QB last year, and by a huge margin.

I think ESPN QBR is a better measure, but it still leaves a lot to be desired.
 
RMLogic said:
His lack of height just prevents him from seeing the field well. Its just an issue that cant be solved . Brees had the same issue but the Saints developed blocking schemes that allowed him for clearer lanes to see through.
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So it comes down to coaching
 
Phinittowinit said:
Or a dink and dunk is another way of controlling the clock. Wear the defense down by keeping them on the field longer means potential for big plays because they are tired.
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I always hate to bring it up because nobody wants to talk about Tom Brady. But the offense he ran for years was mostly 3-7 yard patterns.

Brady would take that all day if it was working. Of course, he had receivers who turned some of those short passes into big gains.

It used to frustrate me when New England beat Miami without ever having to challenge down the field.

Now, watching a lot of San Francisco games over the years those mid-range to long passes are open quite often. Jimmy Garappalo isn't the quarterback to take advantage of that, which is probably why they are moving to Trey Lance.

But Tua will have opportunities for big plays in this offense, especially now with the addition of Hill.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I always hate to bring it up because nobody wants to talk about Tom Brady. But the offense he ran for years was mostly 3-7 yard patterns.

Brady would take that all day if it was working. Of course, he had receivers who turned some of those short passes into big gains.

It used to frustrate me when New England beat Miami without ever having to challenge down the field.

Now, watching a lot of San Francisco games over the years those mid-range to long passes are open quite often. Jimmy Garappalo isn't the quarterback to take advantage of that, which is probably why they are moving to Trey Lance.

But Tua will have opportunities for big plays on this offense.
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Exactly. A smart coach and player takes what the defense gives them. I would rather a player take a plus 5 on the field than an incompletion or INT because they tried to push the ball down the field to something that wasn’t there
 
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