Or again goes 1-6 vs winning teams…and throws for 6 TDs and 7 interceptions vs Buffalo.
Tua's Next. Be prepared.
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Nonsense.
He could have taken JW with the original pick.
I understand two different POVs, but let's not accuse ppl of "blatant lies".
The way I saw it he traded down, it was just a two trade move to do it. He got his guy and additional assets, rather than just staying put for his guy.
Why does everything have to be an argument?
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That has to happen with a Tua contract extension. They need to have an out after a few years where they can move on from him if he doesn't improve or gets injured.
Pot meet kettle.
The fact is Grier would have NEVER traded to 12 without already having an agreement to trade back to 6. He would have simply stayed at 3.
Anything else is speculative.
Yeah, this is an important point because in this instance we actually have a quote from Grier stating this, or at the very least strongly implying it, so arguing against this point is moot.
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Not speculative....
He was at 12... He traded up to get Waddle
Waddle was drafted higher than 12th overall
Ergo the Dolphins traded up.
This is absolutely and factually correct.
Saying anything else is lying.
As for the moving down from 3.... to 6..... It was a gamble.... There was no way to guarantee they get Waddle at 6
So Grier after the fact talking about trades he made.... All after the fact shooting the shiiit.
Waddle could have been off the board and then we would have had to take Slim Reaper... (Who I think lasted until 10th overall.)
I am glad we Got Waddle... But the trading down and then trading up had risks. Nothing was guaranteed.
And for the love of Jupiter.... Side deals or not.... They still had to trade up to get Waddle. Period.
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The end of last year was indeed embarrassing and it did start with the Titans. No getting around that. Also no getting around the fact we typically start fast but then falter in the 2nd half of games (throughout the season). The lack of adjustments or inability to adjust as the games go on is a red flag and problem they need to get their hands around. Hopefully the TE, RB and WR additions we have made this year will help this offense become much more multiple in its attack plan.
All that said, have to deal with the here and now. The personnel additions to hopefully take that next step have been made. The only glaring issue now is Tua and his contract. Without him playing point guard in this offense given our alternatives we're dead in the water. Playing out his last year of current contract isn't the worst thing in the world or impossible but there are still issues there, does he hold out, is he now unhappy, does his game suffer if he plays tight worried about injury? Even if he plays and plays well, what are we going to do at end of season, let him go into free agency or franchise tag him? If we tag him we have to clear a ton of money from the cap early in the offseason to do that which would cost a bunch of players which is the last thing we want to have to do as we head into a draft loaded with picks for the first time in years.
I think we, and Tua, are better off getting a deal done now that locks him in as our QB for next couple of years so we can take our shot at winning big with what looks to be a pretty decent roster over that span. An on-going QB/contract controversy dragging on through the year isn't likely to be helpful in that regard. The fact there is a lot to gain for both sides with a deal now is why I think it ultimately gets done. The fact it's a tough/long negotiation isn't that surprising and hopefully leads to a result we can all be relatively happy with, Tua with an incredible amount of real world guaranteed money and the club with a somewhat team friendly contract to give us our best chance of working within the cap and/or in case things don't ultimately work out with Tua whether from injury or performance, down the line.
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And another thing.
Grier was trying to wheel and deal and that is fine. He had talked with someone to trade back up.... So those talks happened before he traded down.
Nothing was in writing... No contracts.
So he gambled based on conversations he had
I have owned several businesses. Knowing about a deal on something does not guarantee you get it...
That sort of thing can backfire easily... Someone else gets wind of a deal and makes a better offer. etc..
So this whole: ( yeah well he knew that he could.....) That is what is speculative.
None of this changes the fact that he had to trade back up to get Waddle.
The fact of the matter is that he did not want to use a 3rd overall pick on Waddle so he traded down
If they believed that Waddle was the best value at 3.... They would have just taken him there and not messed around trying to gamble.
Grier was trying to wheel and deal and that is fine. He had talked with someone to trade back up.... So those talks happened before he traded down.
Nothing was in writing... No contracts.
So he gambled based on conversations he had
I have owned several businesses. Knowing about a deal on something does not guarantee you get it...
That sort of thing can backfire easily... Someone else gets wind of a deal and makes a better offer. etc..
So this whole: ( yeah well he knew that he could.....) That is what is speculative.
None of this changes the fact that he had to trade back up to get Waddle.
The fact of the matter is that he did not want to use a 3rd overall pick on Waddle so he traded down
If they believed that Waddle was the best value at 3.... They would have just taken him there and not messed around trying to gamble.
It isn't that black or white.
Accuse another poster if lying again and you will be thread banned..... fair warning.
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He was at 12 for a New York second. The two trades were worked out in concert so we moved from 3 to 6 and picked up two draft picks in the process. That's the story, we traded down from 3 to 6 giving up a Jamar Chase for a Waddle, but with the addition of a future 1st and 3rd round pick. To try to spin it as a trade up for Waddle is just cherry picking one part of what was a package of two simultaneous trades. Not sure why you want to die on this hill ..
You can argue you would have rather traded down to 12 for two future 1st round picks and a third but sacrificed taking a top WR in that draft. Heck you can argue we should have traded that #3 pick for the 25th pick in the draft for three future 1st round picks, or how about trading out of the first round all together for even more draft compensation. That's all fine and dandy but not what we did and not what we had any interest in doing. Grier stated he wanted to stay in the top 6 of that draft so he accomplished a trade down from 3 to 6, picking up two future high picks, he just accomplished that with 2 trades worked out at same time rather than one.
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Nope... Not my take or stance at all..
Not weighing in on what he should have done or could have done with the picks regarding the trades.
Just stating the fact.
We were at 12... We traded back up to 6
That is a fact.
No ifs, ands, or Buts...
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Fair enough...
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Missing the forest through the trees ..
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You simply don't know what's going on.
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