Tua's Next. Be prepared.

[ANUFan]

I think you are underestimating other NFL rosters.

I am a Dolphin fan, and I am a Tua fan. I'd like to see them together, but when he leaves Ill still be a Dolphin fan, and Ill still be a Tua fan.

People underestimate Tua's ability to learn, adapt, and improve. The kid will be a winner wherever he plays. I wish I could say the same about my Dolphins.

I'm going by watching Tua-some at Alabama and the rosters he had before this current one under other coaching staff.

If you think Tua can go "anywhere" and play under "any coach" and play with "any skill-set" and achieve what he's accomplish the past few season here then your greatly over-estimating Tua.

Can he have some success? Ofcourse! But no doubt he's most potent in this kinda scheme, personnell, and coaching.


Trust me, That's not an experiment Tua and his team want to conduct.


Obviously, the Dolphins organisation can't afford to let this thing spin out of control.

 

[GRYPHONK]

That is a great article and sums up my feelings to the tee.

If I didnt feel wanted I'd get the hell out and find a place where they DO want me.

Love my Dolphins but they are ****ing it up yet again.

100% agreed

 

[Induperator]

I'll say this for Tua. If all hell break lose and he actually goes to another team then good luck.

I don't ever think he'll have a more perfect roster including the HC for his skill-set and long term success.

The coaching staff and offensive personnel is taylor-made for him.

I agree... and that is one of the reasons I do not think he will hold out. Everything has been tailor made to fit for him here. I think someone was comparing Lawrence to Tua... and I pointed out that Tua has a perfect situation with elite talent that many other Qb's do not... and it makes a difference in the stat lines.

Tua will not want to hear it and his agent will hate it also. When Tua and his agent say that the market is the market... And that Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff... The Dolphins need to point out that no other QB with the exception of Brock Purdy had as much talent around him as Tua. Call his bluff. If you think you can go somewhere else and have the same kind of success without a head coach like McD or the elite talent around you.... Go the F on and give that a whirl.

Tua on the Panthers last year would look pedestrian...

If Tua was a free agent right now he is not going to a team with a top 5 offense.
This is not to say that Tua would stink on a lesser team with lesser talent around him..

But not having a run game that averages over 5.1 yards a carry.. and a team with Hill and Waddle to throw to...Would impact any QB

 

[Avigatorx]

I'm going by watching Tua-some at Alabama and the rosters he had before this current one under other coaching staff.

If you think Tua can go "anywhere" and play under "any coach" and play with "any skill-set" and achieve what he's accomplish the past few season here then your greatly over-estimating Tua.

Can he have some success? Ofcourse! But no doubt he's most potent in this kinda scheme, personnell, and coaching.


Trust me, That's not an experiment Tua and his team want to conduct.


Obviously, the Dolphins organisation can't afford to let this thing spin out of control.

Im not sure where you got all of those ANY's from. I never said that.

Until McDaniel, Tua has played with a different OC almost every year he has played football post HS.

A team like Carolina might be difficult for him until they build that roster, but there are plenty of teams with great olines and Skill guys that he can take advantage of.

This team (The Dolphins) has ****ed up their relationship with Tua from day 1. Instead of trying to play hardball with him they should be taking care of him to show that they made a mistake jerking him around with all the Watson/Brady bullshit.

Nope, they are doubling down on it.

 

[GRYPHONK]

I agree... and that is one of the reasons I do not think he will hold out. Everything has been tailor made to fit for him here. I think someone was comparing Lawrence to Tua... and I pointed out that Tua has a perfect situation with elite talent that many other Qb's do not... and it makes a difference in the stat lines.

Tua will not want to hear it and his agent will hate it also. When Tua and his agent say that the market is the market... And that Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff... The Dolphins need to point out that no other QB with the exception of Brock Purdy had as much talent around him as Tua. Call his bluff. If you think you can go somewhere else and have the same kind of success without a head coach like McD or the elite talent around you.... Go the F on and give that a whirl.

Tua on the Panthers last year would look pedestrian...

If Tua was a free agent right now he is not going to a team with a top 5 offense.
This is not to say that Tua would stink on a lesser team with lesser talent around him..

But not having a run game that averages over 5.1 yards a carry.. and a team with Hill and Waddle to throw to...Would impact any QB

This is one of the easiest narratives to debunk and refute.

You don't think Chase/Boyd/Higgins and Mixon helped Burrows stats?
Jefferson/Cook and Thielen didn't help Cousins?
Williams/Allen/Ekeler didn't help Herbert?
Brown/Smith and a top running game didn't help Hurts?

I would hope Tua and his agents laugh in the faces of Grier or whoever tries to claim other QBS werent set up with similar talent.

It's an absurd and absolutely false narrative.

 

[E30M3]

This is one of the easiest narratives to debunk and refute.

You don't think Chase/Boyd/Higgins and Mixon helped Burrows stats?
Jefferson/Cook and Thielen didn't help Cousins?
Williams/Allen/Ekeler didn't help Herbert?
Brown/Smith and a top running game didn't help Hurts?

I would hope Tua and his agents laugh in the faces of Grier or whoever tries to claim other QBS werent set up with similar talent.

It's an absurd and absolutely false narrative.

Yup.

Tua gets no credit because it's all the receivers making him look better.

Tua also receives all the blame because those same receivers drop important passes.

Talking out both sides their mouths these chaps.

 

[Avigatorx]

By the s

This is one of the easiest narratives to debunk and refute.

You don't think Chase/Boyd/Higgins and Mixon helped Burrows stats?
Jefferson/Cook and Thielen didn't help Cousins?
Williams/Allen/Ekeler didn't help Herbert?
Brown/Smith and a top running game didn't help Hurts?

I would hope Tua and his agents laugh in the faces of Grier or whoever tries to claim other QBS werent set up with similar talent.

It's an absurd and absolutely false narrative.

By the same token, does anyone think Tua would struggle getting the ball to:

Devante Adams/Brock Bowers/ Mike Gallup?
DK Metcalf/Tyler Lockett/JSN?
Chris Olave/Rasheed Shaheed/Alvin Kamara?

The Fins dont have a monopoly on skill position players.

 

[GatorFin73]

Except that those QBs were all drafted the same year as Tua and had plenty of time left on their deals when they were extended.

You all will be happy to get your wish, we will be looking for a new QB sooner than you all expect.

I want him signed (just on a team friendly contract) so would not be happy to see us looking for a new QB in the near term. If that's the case, chalk the 2019 rebuild up as a total failure and move on to the 2025/2026 rebuild.

 

[Avigatorx]

I want him signed (just on a team friendly contract) so would not be happy to see us looking for a new QB in the near term. If that's the case, chalk the 2019 rebuild up as a total failure and move on to the 2025/2026 rebuild.

I agree, and if we knew we werent giving him what he wants heading into the draft, they should have traded up and drafted his replacement rather than wasting the pick on a situational pass rush only edge.

This team contradicts itself, either due to indifference or incompetence.

 

[Induperator]

Williams/Allen/Eckler.... Nobody would trade that trio for Hill/Waddle/Mostert

Come on.

Burrow does have nice talent around him and it is a good counter argument... But I would still take Hill/Waddle/Mostert over Chase/Higgins/Mixon

I am not saying other QB's talent sucked.... I am saying that other than the talent in SF... ours was the next best in the league.

I am more than comfortable saying Tua had top 3 talent around him in the NFL

And if you put a gun to my head and said to pick our wideouts and RB against that of the Cowboys or the Bengals.. I am picking our guys... without blinking.

 

[MARINO1384]

I agree... and that is one of the reasons I do not think he will hold out. Everything has been tailor made to fit for him here. I think someone was comparing Lawrence to Tua... and I pointed out that Tua has a perfect situation with elite talent that many other Qb's do not... and it makes a difference in the stat lines.

Tua will not want to hear it and his agent will hate it also. When Tua and his agent say that the market is the market... And that Tua is better than Lawrence or Goff... The Dolphins need to point out that no other QB with the exception of Brock Purdy had as much talent around him as Tua. Call his bluff. If you think you can go somewhere else and have the same kind of success without a head coach like McD or the elite talent around you.... Go the F on and give that a whirl.

Tua on the Panthers last year would look pedestrian...

If Tua was a free agent right now he is not going to a team with a top 5 offense.
This is not to say that Tua would stink on a lesser team with lesser talent around him..

But not having a run game that averages over 5.1 yards a carry.. and a team with Hill and Waddle to throw to...Would impact any QB

This simply isn’t true.

You are underestimating why we have elite weapons. That’s purely due to Tua’s skillset of getting the ball out and reading the defense to find a quick accurate throw. There’s less than 5 qbs that could do what he does and all are arguably worse.

Any team can have elite weapons when you’re not paying olinemen. This is why we didn’t sign Williams last year and let hunt walk. If you’re sacrificing paying linemen pretty easily can afford weapons. However most qbs rely on oline more heavily and thus need a better line.

Right now we need Tua as much as he needs Miami. Our entire scheme and personal from the wideouts we have down to our oline is based around his strengths. Finding another qb most likely means a complete revamp of personal and scheme. Can mcdaniel create a new scheme for another qb? Yeah maybe, will it be as effective? There’s no guarantee of that.

 

[Induperator]

E30

Tua deserves some credit... absolutely. He gets rid of the ball in under 3 seconds... I think he is now the #1 QB in all of football for getting the football released. He has made improvements with his release and his footwork to accomplish this... So he absolutely deserves credit for his hard work and his growth. I am not suggesting that the only reason Tua has had success is because of Hill/waddle/Mostert/Achane...

My take initially so long ago was that if you Put Tua on the Jags and Lawrence was here... That Tua would not have the better stat lines. I stand by that take also. The talent around any QB does make a difference.

Look at the Superbowl Winning Mahomes. The team had a strong defense and no true #1 receiver... Mahomes led them to another Superbowl win. Mahomes stats were down a tick all across the board. Kelce has lost a step and he had no true #1 wide receiver to throw to. Go back to when Mahomes came into the league... Hill and Kelce in their mid 20's at their physical peak... Mahomes had video game numbers. So the level of talent around the QB matters.

 

[Induperator]

This simply isn’t true.

You are underestimating why we have elite weapons. That’s purely due to Tua’s skillset of getting the ball out and reading the defense to find a quick accurate throw. There’s less than 5 qbs that could do what he does and all are arguably worse.

Any team can have elite weapons when you’re not paying olinemen. This is why we didn’t sign Williams last year and let hunt walk. If you’re sacrificing paying linemen pretty easily can afford weapons. However most qbs rely on oline more heavily and thus need a better line.

Right now we need Tua as much as he needs Miami. Our entire scheme and personal from the wideouts we have down to our oline is based around his strengths. Finding another qb most likely means a complete revamp of personal and scheme. Can mcdaniel create a new scheme for another qb? Yeah maybe, will it be as effective? There’s no guarantee of that.

Marino 1384

Go back and look at the careeers of Mostert and Hill. As good as they were last year... they have had seasons in their past where they played at this same level of productivity. And they did it without Tua. Hill had Mahomes who is awesome... Tua is a good QB.... But we can see with Mostert and Hill... that they both played at an incredibly high level in their past without Tua So it is not Tua making them better.

 

[GatorFin73]

I agree, and if we knew we werent giving him what he wants heading into the draft, they should have traded up and drafted his replacement rather than wasting the pick on a situational pass rush only edge.

This team contradicts itself, either due to indifference or incompetence.

It's not over yet, for the reasons you state and what Tua has on the line in regards to a large sum of guaranteed money and that protection from injury risk, both sides need each other. That's why I still think something gets done. Both sides would be cutting off their nose to spite their face if not.

 

[MARINO1384]

Marino 1384

Go back and look at the careeers of Mostert and Hill. As good as they were last year... they have had seasons in their past where they played at this same level of productivity. And they did it without Tua. Hill had Mahomes who is awesome... Tua is a good QB.... But we can see with Mostert and Hill... that they both played at an incredibly high level in their past without Tua So it is not Tua making them better.

Hill has never been close to the player he is now. Yeah he was good a fringe top 5 wideout. That’s with Mahomes who is objectively light years ahead of Tua and yet not nearly as good. Now he’s almost unanimously #1 and approaching a level of play only seen three times before by guys named Moss, Rice and Megatron.

Mostert was a career journeyman rbbc guy who has had more carries these last two years than his previous 8 years combined. Calling a guy that’s on his 5th team of his career and had less than 300 carries before coming to Miami as having “played at an incredibly high level” is just wrong and inaccurate no matter how you slice it.

Tua and particularly this scheme is absolutely making both incredibly better. As stated before this is a system designed for Tua and probably run best by Tua so yes he is making them both better. I’m not sure what reality you’re living in to say both aren’t having their two best seasons these last two years of their career by an incredibly wide margin.