Tua's Next. Be prepared.

[GRYPHONK]

By the s

By the same token, does anyone think Tua would struggle getting the ball to:

Devante Adams/Brock Bowers/ Mike Gallup?
DK Metcalf/Tyler Lockett/JSN?
Chris Olave/Rasheed Shaheed/Alvin Kamara?

The Fins dont have a monopoly on skill position players.

Agreed.

Nor would he have a problem getting the ball to Amon ra st Brown/Laporta and Gibbs.

Heck with their route running, I am sure Tua would live throwing to Puka Nacua and, gosh what's that other WRS name? You know that guy many speculated was the best in the game?

 

[Mach2]

Hill has never been close to the player he is now. Yeah he was good a fringe top 5 wideout. That’s with Mahomes who is objectively light years ahead of Tua and yet not nearly as good. Now he’s almost unanimously #1 and approaching a level of play only seen three times before by guys named Moss, Rice and Megatron.

Mostert was a career journeyman rbbc guy who has had more carries these last two years than his previous 8 years combined. Calling a guy that’s on his 5th team of his career and had less than 300 carries before coming to Miami as having “played at an incredibly high level” is just wrong and inaccurate no matter how you slice it.

Tua and particularly this scheme is absolutely making both incredibly better. As stated before this is a system designed for Tua and probably run best by Tua so yes he is making them both better. I’m not sure what reality you’re living in to say both aren’t having their two best seasons these last two years of their career by an incredibly wide margin.

I agree about Hill being at the top of his game.

He's a better and more precise route runner than when he was in KC (thanks McD), and pretty much said it himself.

He and Tua are locked in most of the time.

It's a beautiful thing to watch.

Tyreek drives his primary defender backbeddling and the instant he turns hips, Hill breaks and Tua releases the ball. Nearly impossible to defend if TH gets a clean release and the other receivers play their leverages correctly.

 

[Induperator]

Hill has never been close to the player he is now. Yeah he was good a fringe top 5 wideout. That’s with Mahomes who is objectively light years ahead of Tua and yet not nearly as good. Now he’s almost unanimously #1 and approaching a level of play only seen three times before by guys named Moss, Rice and Megatron.

Mostert was a career journeyman rbbc guy who has had more carries these last two years than his previous 8 years combined. Calling a guy that’s on his 5th team of his career and had less than 300 carries before coming to Miami as having “played at an incredibly high level” is just wrong and inaccurate no matter how you slice it.

Tua and particularly this scheme is absolutely making both incredibly better. As stated before this is a system designed for Tua and probably run best by Tua so yes he is making them both better. I’m not sure what reality you’re living in to say both aren’t having their two best seasons these last two years of their career by an incredibly wide margin.

Go look at Hill's numbers from 2018 on the Chiefs.

Same Touchdown numbers just under 1500 yards ... over 17 yards a catch... The only difference is that he got an extra 35+targets in Miami and got to play in an extra game. So yes Hill was playing at the same level in KC in 2018 that he has played at the last 2 years in Miami. Just go look it up.

 

[MARINO1384]

Agreed.

Nor would he have a problem getting the ball to Amon ra st Brown/Laporta and Gibbs.

Heck with their route running, I am sure Tua would live throwing to Puka Nacua and, gosh what's that other WRS name? You know that guy many speculated was the best in the game?

Smith/Brown
Chase/Higgins
Allen/moore/odunze
Kittle/aiyuk/Deebo
Ceedee/cook
Collins/dell/diggs
Jefferson/Addison
Metcalf/lockett
Evans/godwin
Hopkins/Ridley

Literally like half the league has an insane duo or more…really don’t understand how Tua gets bashed for Hill/waddle when I’m not even sure it’s clear cut best and there’s certainly teams with better wr/te/oline combo’s. Everyone always throwing out “yeah but he has the fastest” as if that doesn’t come with a major downfall of being small targets and getting jammed at the line…

 

[MARINO1384]

Go look at Hill's numbers from 2018 on the Chiefs.

Same Touchdown numbers just under 1500 yards ... over 17 yards a catch... The only difference is that he got an extra 35+targets in Miami and got to play in an extra game. So yes Hill was playing at the same level in KC in 2018 that he has played at the last 2 years in Miami. Just go look it up.

So one year of his 6 years in KC was almost as good as his worst in Miami but was still 230 yards short and this is your evidence? Not to mention that year he was 200 over his 2nd best season in KC so on average he was not even close to that level. Literally talking about 400 yards from his 2nd best year in KC with 6 opportunities with a better qb than his worst year in Miami.You sure you want to stick with that because it looks completely foolish….

 

[Induperator]

I'm going by watching Tua-some at Alabama and the rosters he had before this current one under other coaching staff.

If you think Tua can go "anywhere" and play under "any coach" and play with "any skill-set" and achieve what he's accomplish the past few season here then your greatly over-estimating Tua.

Can he have some success? Ofcourse! But no doubt he's most potent in this kinda scheme, personnell, and coaching.


Trust me, That's not an experiment Tua and his team want to conduct.


Obviously, the Dolphins organisation can't afford to let this thing spin out of control.

LMAO

I agree also.... When you post something like this you get people to agree with you. When I post something akin to this I get hellfire rained down upon me. hahahahaha.

It is very interesting to see it actually.

Keep posting... hahahahaha

 

[Induperator]

Smith/Brown
Chase/Higgins
Allen/moore/odunze
Kittle/aiyuk/Deebo
Ceedee/cook
Collins/dell/diggs
Jefferson/Addison
Metcalf/lockett
Evans/godwin
Hopkins/Ridley

Literally like half the league has an insane duo or more…really don’t understand how Tua gets bashed for Hill/waddle when I’m not even sure it’s clear cut best and there’s certainly teams with better wr/te/oline combo’s. Everyone always throwing out “yeah but he has the fastest” as if that doesn’t come with a major downfall of being small targets and getting jammed at the line…

Ridley/Hopkins.... Stop... neither are Hill and Hopkins has lost a step or two... (Still good.. no longer dominating.) Cook? Never was in the same class as Tyreek... Allen is good... Never Tyreek good... Allen is now old.... Smith and brown are good... Nobody would take them over Hill and Waddle

I said SF skill players are better than ours... .So not sure why you posted them.... (Fail)

I would take Hill and Waddle over Chase and Higgins
I would take Hill and Waddle over Jefferson and Addison
Metcalf is my favorite player in the NFL... but I would not take Metcalf and Lockett over Hill and Waddle


I stand by what I said... We are top 3 in the NFL in skill positions around the QB

 

[Induperator]

So one year of his 6 years in KC was almost as good as his worst in Miami but was still 230 yards short and this is your evidence? Not to mention that year he was 200 over his 2nd best season in KC so on average he was not even close to that level. Literally talking about 400 yards from his 2nd best year in KC with 6 opportunities with a better qb than his worst year in Miami.You sure you want to stick with that because it looks completely foolish….

Pick my post all you like.... It does not change what I said.

The premise was that he never played in KC at the level he is playing at now in Miami

I showed you that he did in 2018.

you can say he played other seasons in KC less effective... Does not change the fact that he was just as good in 2018 as he was the last 2 years in Miami

Take as much time as you need to process that one thing.

Is yards the only thing you are considering?

Because he has had seasons where he had more touchdowns, seasons where he had more yards per catch.

 

[bdizzle00]

IMO, this is about getting the Dolphins to a Super Bowl within the current window. The only way you realistically can do that is by extending Tua.

For all the doubters who say he is a product of the system, that's fine, but if that's the case, why on Earth would the Dolphins let the perfect QB for their current system get away?

Tua within McD's system is a hand-in-glove perfect fit (O.J. reference incoming in 5...4...3...2...)

 

[waylon]

This simply isn’t true.

You are underestimating why we have elite weapons. That’s purely due to Tua’s skillset of getting the ball out and reading the defense to find a quick accurate throw. There’s less than 5 qbs that could do what he does and all are arguably worse.

Any team can have elite weapons when you’re not paying olinemen. This is why we didn’t sign Williams last year and let hunt walk. If you’re sacrificing paying linemen pretty easily can afford weapons. However most qbs rely on oline more heavily and thus need a better line.

Right now we need Tua as much as he needs Miami. Our entire scheme and personal from the wideouts we have down to our oline is based around his strengths. Finding another qb most likely means a complete revamp of personal and scheme. Can mcdaniel create a new scheme for another qb? Yeah maybe, will it be as effective? There’s no guarantee of that.

You may as well be explaining this to a wall , your not changing this guys opinion and he refuses to really listen to anything that doesn`t help his opinion .

 

[Mr Fan]

IMO, this is about getting the Dolphins to a Super Bowl within the current window. The only way you realistically can do that is by extending Tua.

For all the doubters who say he is a product of the system, that's fine, but if that's the case, why on Earth would the Dolphins let the perfect QB for their current system get away?

Tua within McD's system is a hand-in-glove perfect fit (O.J. reference incoming in 5...4...3...2...)

I don't think anyone complains about keeping him, we already spent the draft capital when we selected him @5 that is a sunk cost of this point. I think a number of people have very valid concerns about 200M for an oft-injured limited QB that plays well in this system under good conditions.

I actually doubt the front office even cares about the yearly average, they do care about the guarantees and rightfully so...

 

[gregorygrant83]

Williams/Allen/Eckler.... Nobody would trade that trio for Hill/Waddle/Mostert

Come on.

Burrow does have nice talent around him and it is a good counter argument... But I would still take Hill/Waddle/Mostert over Chase/Higgins/Mixon

I am not saying other QB's talent sucked.... I am saying that other than the talent in SF... ours was the next best in the league.

I am more than comfortable saying Tua had top 3 talent around him in the NFL

And if you put a gun to my head and said to pick our wideouts and RB against that of the Cowboys or the Bengals.. I am picking our guys... without blinking.

Smith/Brown
Chase/Higgins
Allen/moore/odunze
Kittle/aiyuk/Deebo
Ceedee/cook
Collins/dell/diggs
Jefferson/Addison
Metcalf/lockett
Evans/godwin
Hopkins/Ridley

Literally like half the league has an insane duo or more…really don’t understand how Tua gets bashed for Hill/waddle when I’m not even sure it’s clear cut best and there’s certainly teams with better wr/te/oline combo’s. Everyone always throwing out “yeah but he has the fastest” as if that doesn’t come with a major downfall of being small targets and getting jammed at the line…

As good as Hill and Waddle are, I still say I might prefer a combo of Waddle, another wr and a younger version of Kelce.

 

[Induperator]

IMO, this is about getting the Dolphins to a Super Bowl within the current window. The only way you realistically can do that is by extending Tua.

For all the doubters who say he is a product of the system, that's fine, but if that's the case, why on Earth would the Dolphins let the perfect QB for their current system get away?

Tua within McD's system is a hand-in-glove perfect fit (O.J. reference incoming in 5...4...3...2...)

BDizzle

I guess the question is in regards to the window itself?

Hill is on the wrong side of 30 and has said he will retire when his contract is up.

So based on that... Do we really have a window?

Tua is signed for this season... So they can let him play out his contract. Beyond that, is there a window without re-tooling?

We did just draft a young RB with nice speed and a couple of nifty receivers that could help in a couple of years... But they are not guaranteed.
Mostert is old. Hill is aging

So I ask you... Do we have a window beyond this season?

 

[Induperator]

As good as Hill and Waddle are, I still say I might prefer a combo of Waddle, another wr and a younger version of Kelce.

Love Kelce... but we cannot change the fact that he is on the wrong side of 30.... Time gets everyone eventually.

 

[bdizzle00]

I don't think anyone complains about keeping him, we already spent the draft capital when we selected him @5 that is a sunk cost of this point. I think a number of people have very valid concerns about 200M for an oft-injured limited QB that plays well in this system under good conditions.

I actually doubt the front office even cares about the yearly average, they do care about the guarantees and rightfully so...

For those who are concerned about his price and fit on another team. I would think that supports the argument that the only team that Tua would be worth $55 or so million a year is the Dolphins.

It's like Marvel setting up an entire universe of movies centered around Robert Downey Jr.s Iron Man character, then expecting the studio not to pay him for the Universe they created just for him. The universe isn't nearly as good without him and no other studio would pay him as much as Marvel would to play that character in a non-marvel movie.