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Tua's Next. Be prepared.

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Archaeopteryx said:
Absolutely. Of course that’s what McVay said about working with Goff and Shanahan said about working with Garoppolo. They were probably being honest at the time, and they did each reach the Super Bowl with those guys. They each also decided after 4 years that it wasn’t going to work. Though in the case of Garopollo, Shanahan decided to move on from him much earlier than that but then they were unable to get rid of him and Lance got injured.
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Yeah, but they were diferrent circumstances.

In SF and with the Rams those teams didn't choose the QB over the coach like in Miami.

The stipulation in Miami was they would have/need or want to work with Tua.

I also don't think McDaniel has any issues with the QB who is helping to make his scheme the #1 offense in football. Goff and Jimmy G never came close to that
 
rent this space said:
Until you have to cut Tyreek, Holland, Chubb and several more just to pay him the $42 million.
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Yeah, they have severely mis played this.

The franchise tag is and should not even be considered an option. If they are seriously thinking it they might as well extend Tua. They will be destroyed cap wise.

If they were not certain they should have traded him this last draft.

It is very plausible, the leagues leading passer may leave next offseason and the Phinz getting zero compensation for him.
 
1972forever said:
Anything is possible but if they don’t want to pay him, he won’t have any trouble finding a team to pay him market value as a free agent.

I don’t see any QB’s in the 2025 draft or possible free agent QB’s that will be anywhere close to the QB Tua is. So if they don’t want to pay him, I guess they just plan to start the next rebuild after the 2024 season and hope they find a quarterback in the next 5-10 years.
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That's not what I said at all.

I don't think it's that "black or white". There's a risk factor either way.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Yeah, but they were diferrent circumstances.

In SF and with the Rams those teams didn't choose the QB over the coach like in Miami.

The stipulation in Miami was they would have/need or want to work with Tua.

I also don't think McDaniel has any issues with the QB who is helping to make his scheme the #1 offense in football. Goff and Jimmy G never came close to that
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Yes,I acknowledged that they were wildly different circumstances in my first post.

And, you could say the same thing about McVay’s scheme with Goff and the 2018 Rams which led to the 2nd best offense and a Super Bowl appearance and was a superior offense to the 2023 Dolphins. No one at that point thought moving on from Goff was in the cards at that time as Goff’s 2018 season was better than any season Tua has ever had, so saying Goff never came close to that is simply incorrect.

Edit: Stupid phone.
 
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Fred Bear said:
Maybe Mike thinks he can do it with someone else
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I didn't want to open that can of worms, but since you did, we really do not know what Mike or Chris truly think or discuss behind closed doors. We only know what they say in PCs.

Reality and facade might be two different things.
 
rent this space said:
Until you have to cut Tyreek, Holland, Chubb and several more just to pay him the $42 million.
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Don’t pay him and end up with a second or third tier QB and win maybe 5 or 6 games with Hill, Holland, and Chubb.
Hill would be demanding to be traded to a playoff caliber team and Holland will leave in free agency to play for a better team.

It takes an entire team to win in the NFL but to make it to the playoffs, you need a high quality QB. They have that high quality QB now but they won’t if he leaves in free agency.
 
Mach2 said:
I didn't want to open that can of worms, but since you did, we really do not know what Mike or Chris truly think or discuss behind closed doors. We only know what they say in PCs.

Reality and facade might be two different things.
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Very true
 
Mach2 said:
That's true.

It is also true that if he doesn't or ends up injured, we aren't on the hook for $200m.in guarantees.

Putting aside emotion for a minute, is it better to keep options open, even though the long term risk may cost a single digit percentage more? Or is it better to be locked in to a huge guaranteed investment before absolutely necessary?

In this case, to me, it's a close call. Close enough that I haven't a big problem with Grier and Co's choice either way.

I can see coherent arguments from both factions but it's ultimately Grier's call and he is being paid well to look out for the longer than one season welfare of the franchise.
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Every other team with a top young QB has felt the risk of mega-guaranteed money was worth taking. Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, Jackson, Hurts, etc, all got the kind of contracts Tua deserves. The risk is worth taking if the Dolphins want to swim in the deep end of the pool.
 
GRYPHONK said:
McDaniel thinks this?

I doubt it. Some others in the organization sure.

But when you have a QB that brings your vision to life at an extremely high level, I have a hard time believing McDaniel would want to look elsewhere at QB. Just my opinion of course.
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I don't know what they think really.
 
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