Tua's Next. Be prepared.
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GatorFin73
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Latest rumor at least from Cowherds show today while on a long drive was contract is getting close and the number was $49 and change mil per year. I know the avg figure doesn’t matter just guaranteed money, cap hits over next several years and when dead money low enough to get out, just repeating what I heard.
Trucanes99
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If it's $50M/year or less, we should be happy with it. Not going to hold my breathe...
Yea. He has no clue. None.
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I was speaking in general terms... I support Tua... I am very skeptical of him. I do not think he can take a step forward... I fear that this is as good as it gets. Mostert will only decline... So too will Hill. QB's like Mahomes can take over a game and win it when they have a star player get injured or they are injured. I do not see that same ability within Tua.
Mahomes lost Hill.... Did not miss a beat.... I think there is an excellent chance that Tua is overrated and is a product of elite weapons around him. They make him better. We need a QB that makes the players around him better. I do not see that with Tua.
Discussions like this... Discussions about why we should not give him a new contract brings out the troll in a lot of posters here.
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Let him hold out.... He needs the Dolphins more than the Dolphins need him.
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I just don’t know how you can say that when Tua has improved every year. He also has improved on his biggest weaknesses year after year. He’s one of the last qbs that I would say has reached his ceiling.
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Ckparrot with the mic drop:
“This isn’t just talk by Tua. It’s evident even on short clips the Dolphins post on social media. The first two pictures (bucket hat) are Tua in 2022, and the second two are this year.
The still frames are taken, 1) at the end of his windup and 2) at the ball’s release. The old set shows how much hip rotation he’s doing WHILE the ball comes forward, and the newer set shows that he’s mostly already gotten his hips around before he’s even done with his windup, before the ball is moving forward.
One thing people tend to dismiss about Tua is how malleable/coachable he is.
Last year many thought the jiu jitsu thing was a laughable gimmick. Then we saw it in action and there were discrete changes in the way he played the game. He went from a guy who couldn’t keep himself off the injury report to one of only a handful of QBs who actually played all 17 regular season games.
This is a guy who had six different offensive coordinators in the six years before he met Mike McDaniel. Even in just his NFL career he went from being an RPO guy under Flores to a west coast play-action guy under McDaniel, winning games regardless of approach, regardless of the quality of the skill players or offensive line.
People tend to be impatient and unrealistic. They want a guy to 1) learn a brand new offense, 2) rehab a surgically repaired hip, 3) change your body’s makeup, 4) learn how to handle NFL caliber hits and physicality, and 5) fine tune your throwing motion, and to do it all overnight. Oh and let’s do all that as a rookie without training camp or preseason, during a global pandemic. You mean you haven’t done all that yet? What a bum! Fire him into the sun.
Reality is very different and we see that in pro athletes across the board. We see it in the NBA as players (e.g. Bam Adebayo) add pieces to their game one off season at a time.
The point is when Tua has to undertake these tasks, you discretely see the progress every time. When he has to learn the new offense, he learns the new offense. When he has to get stronger, he gets stronger. When he has to slim down, he slims down. When he has to rehab and make you forget he just had a career threatening broken hip, he makes you forget about the career threatening broken hip. When he has to learn how to absorb NFL caliber hits without putting his head at risk, he becomes one of the best in the NFL at protecting himself. When he has to fine tune his throwing motion, he shows you the new motion while maintaining his trademark accuracy.
Don’t underestimate how valuable that is in a professional player because it’s not as common as you think. Most players by the time they get to a certain point kind of just are who they are, and their circumstances/opportunities might change (which can lead to breakouts and such) but the player hasn’t actually changed much.
Players don’t get paid retroactively in the NFL. They get paid on what a team thinks they will be in the future during the life of the contract. Miami feels pretty safe in the knowledge that Tua will be able to roll with the punches, re-learn the things that adversity forces him to re-learn, and improve on the things he sets to improve, because he has an established history of doing exactly that.
And that’s ultimately why agreement on a contract extension seems like a foregone conclusion.”
“This isn’t just talk by Tua. It’s evident even on short clips the Dolphins post on social media. The first two pictures (bucket hat) are Tua in 2022, and the second two are this year.
The still frames are taken, 1) at the end of his windup and 2) at the ball’s release. The old set shows how much hip rotation he’s doing WHILE the ball comes forward, and the newer set shows that he’s mostly already gotten his hips around before he’s even done with his windup, before the ball is moving forward.
One thing people tend to dismiss about Tua is how malleable/coachable he is.
Last year many thought the jiu jitsu thing was a laughable gimmick. Then we saw it in action and there were discrete changes in the way he played the game. He went from a guy who couldn’t keep himself off the injury report to one of only a handful of QBs who actually played all 17 regular season games.
This is a guy who had six different offensive coordinators in the six years before he met Mike McDaniel. Even in just his NFL career he went from being an RPO guy under Flores to a west coast play-action guy under McDaniel, winning games regardless of approach, regardless of the quality of the skill players or offensive line.
People tend to be impatient and unrealistic. They want a guy to 1) learn a brand new offense, 2) rehab a surgically repaired hip, 3) change your body’s makeup, 4) learn how to handle NFL caliber hits and physicality, and 5) fine tune your throwing motion, and to do it all overnight. Oh and let’s do all that as a rookie without training camp or preseason, during a global pandemic. You mean you haven’t done all that yet? What a bum! Fire him into the sun.
Reality is very different and we see that in pro athletes across the board. We see it in the NBA as players (e.g. Bam Adebayo) add pieces to their game one off season at a time.
The point is when Tua has to undertake these tasks, you discretely see the progress every time. When he has to learn the new offense, he learns the new offense. When he has to get stronger, he gets stronger. When he has to slim down, he slims down. When he has to rehab and make you forget he just had a career threatening broken hip, he makes you forget about the career threatening broken hip. When he has to learn how to absorb NFL caliber hits without putting his head at risk, he becomes one of the best in the NFL at protecting himself. When he has to fine tune his throwing motion, he shows you the new motion while maintaining his trademark accuracy.
Don’t underestimate how valuable that is in a professional player because it’s not as common as you think. Most players by the time they get to a certain point kind of just are who they are, and their circumstances/opportunities might change (which can lead to breakouts and such) but the player hasn’t actually changed much.
Players don’t get paid retroactively in the NFL. They get paid on what a team thinks they will be in the future during the life of the contract. Miami feels pretty safe in the knowledge that Tua will be able to roll with the punches, re-learn the things that adversity forces him to re-learn, and improve on the things he sets to improve, because he has an established history of doing exactly that.
And that’s ultimately why agreement on a contract extension seems like a foregone conclusion.”
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Guys...
Tua has made improvements...
He does get the ball out faster
He is making his reads faster
His arm is still a problem
And they do not trust his health enough to have him make multiple reads or be anything of a "Pocket Passer."
So there are things to celebrate. But the approach limits him and his growth in other ways
I do not see that changing.
I also do not see him making his reads faster than he is now or getting the ball out faster than he is now. I think he has peaked in these areas.
Tua has made improvements...
He does get the ball out faster
He is making his reads faster
His arm is still a problem
And they do not trust his health enough to have him make multiple reads or be anything of a "Pocket Passer."
So there are things to celebrate. But the approach limits him and his growth in other ways
I do not see that changing.
I also do not see him making his reads faster than he is now or getting the ball out faster than he is now. I think he has peaked in these areas.
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Guys...
I don't know why I keep doing this to myself.
I don't know why I keep doing this to myself.
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Remember Michigan once benched senior Tom Brady for a young Ryan Mallet. As stated below, I was thinking Drew Henson, Not Mallett.
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You're thinking of Drew Hensen @ Michigan.
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