We've been duped

[Dolphins84]

#2 Ricky is on record sayign he knew he wanted to come back since Feb and told Nick that in their first talk.
#4 OLine coaches don't block last I saw. Still have to have talent.
#5 Picking Matt Roth, channiong Crowder, and Travis Daniels When we could have picked Kyle Orton. Enough said. We need Daniels and Crowder is going to be good. But was it worth not drafting a QB? I am not sure it was. I would have setteld for Crowder, Orton, and Daniels.

#2. Yea he said he was but you still dont know with him considering he retired right before the season started on us. and it was hard to pass up on ronnie who is great anyways and the qb's in the draft werent that great.

#4. the oline is young and now is more experienced and they are looking a little better. they are improved alot from last year.

#5. Saban didnt see orton being are franchise quarterback and i would rather have someone else at qb. so he took picks he knew would help us and then will get the franchise quarterback when he sees one. Orton wont be anything special once the season comes around. he did good against the 3rd stringers and then when he got in there with the first teamers he had one nice long pass but also had an interception in 4 attempts throwing the ball. he wont do anything special in the nfl and at the best he will become an average qb.

Let saban do his job. i like how he is going with the team right now and lets remember saban rebuilt lsu when they were one of the worst teams in the sec and only 6 years later won a national title and that is pretty impressive so just give the guy some time.

 

[Phishstix]

hmm, i wonder if this thread would exist had feeley been named the starter?

i remember you, fin-atic, as somebody who was out in front of the calvary leading the assult on fiedler. kinda sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it?

 

[texasPHINSfan]

This was uncalled for. I am reporting it as a personal attack and a violation of the TOS.

I am just not a homer. Sorry guys. I like many things that have happened. I do not think starting Gus and demoting the guy who outplayed the him in three of the five games is right.

You have been reported.

thats childish.

Look, that was hardly a bitter insult. he made a comment that was rather apropos. I read through most of this thread and saw at least 4 posts of yours crying out for TOS violations and for the mods to come do something to back you up. Stop being such a baby and put forth your argument on your opinion, and listen to others. If you don't like what they say, don't go crying to your moderator mommy. People are going to have other opinions, deal with it.

back to the phins-

i think you are too much a conspiracy theorist and a Feeley homer. both the QBs suck, just admit to it. As has already been said 100 times, Gus just sucked less. Gus also had a TD pass to Gilmore in that first game. Gus also didn't throw an INT that went for 6 points the other way. that alone is good enough in my book to pick him over AJ.

Whatever ends up happening will not matter, as we will all still root for the phins. I just hope they get the QB situation sorted out. I almost wish we had more preseason games...

 

[rico tubbs]

diabolacle!

 

[jguig]

There's an astonishing lack of realism here. We were an awful team last year. We are not going to become a 13-3 team in one year. Rebuilding is a long and painful process. We now have a top notch RB on our team. If I'm Saban, I'm using Ricky to move up in the draft and get Linehart.

 

[SmokyFin]

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Offenses, and especially qbs, more often than not have to get into a rhythm before things start clicking.

In other words the receivers have to catch the damn balls thrown their way, rbs can't fumble and the OL has to protect and open holes. But most people seem to think that the qb is responsible for every freaking thing that goes wrong on the field.

I have no doubt that Gus will be fine leading this team this season as long as everyone else on the offense shows up and does their part.

 

[djfresh47]

Kyle Orton may turn out to be a good QB, but Travis Daniels is going to contribute this year, and I don't think it was a bad pick. The thing as I posted earlier, late rd Qb's may not even get a shot at starting, and if they are, they aren't really put into a great situation, and teams will "give up," on them alot sooner than a Qb they've invested more in.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

First of all Fin Fan RI you have bee reported for violating the TOS. Personal attacks are not allowed. If you don't like the topic then get off the topic. If you disagree them dsiagree. If you don't like me then use the ignore function. But personal attacks are not allowed.

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[painnotpleasure]

This was never a QB compeitition.

It was always Gus's job. He is Linehan's buddy.

If you look at all preseason games combined, there was nothing to indicate Gus wins. In fact Gus never even scored a TD. and missed terribly on open WRs.

No doubt neither are starting caliber, but I would rather see Sage get a shot. At least he showed fire and the ability to make plays. Gus was as benign and inaffective as well...Jay Fiedler.

Gus Fiedler.

(acknowledgement to Welderpat who made this intital analogy)

Open comment to Nick Saban:

Nick you better pull a rabbut out of your a$$ on the QB. You picked up no answer here, and you drafted no future (and there was some good young talent there). YOU have handicapped this team going into the season by failing to address the most important position, one everyone knew was a problem. Strike one.

I respectively disagree. Even though A.J. Feeley was the incumbent, I don't feel that he should have won the job simply because Gus didn't play lights out. Can you honestly tell me that you feel based on AJ's performance this preseason that he won the starting job? Choosing the starting QB is based A LOT on Mini Camps, Training Camps, and practices not just entirely the preseason, so you can't just go by stats even though they were basically the same between AJ and Gus, with AJ actually being a bit worse. I agree with the fact that we don't have a starting QB on this team but I absolutely disagree that this was an unfair QB competition. Saban must have definitely liked what he saw better from Gus in this offseason in practices, camps, and this preseason. Saban isn't the only one because the players have gathered around Gus and he is the leader and the man under helm. He has more experience, knowledge, and is better decision maker than AJ. Yes, he knows this offense and yes we haven't seen EITHER of them in a full game yet. We will see how Gus will perform against Denver this Sunday. I don't expect his to be impressive, average at best but I do think he could win us some more games this year, and yes we may be infact in for a long season but it may have been an even longer season with AJ starting and Sage got the respect he deserves by being moved up to 2nd string with AJ being demoted to THIRD STRING. I think that's a bit generous to Sage because even though he performed great like he always does in preseason, he moved up to 2nd string by playing against 2nd and 3rd string scrub players. I think it's more of AJ stinking things up rather than Sage performing amazing even though I am glad he's 2nd string now and I do think it was well deserved and the right choice. I trust Saban's judgement and I agree with his decision and I am supporter of Saban and this team no matter waht and would be if AJ or Sage were starting. But by no means... NO MEANS whatsoever do I feel that this QB competition was unfair or unjustified in anyway whatsoever. I am glad that Saban made his choice after the Atlanta game and I am 100% behind his decision and do not second guess it one bit. I trust him to do a better job than Wannstedt and I can't wait to this Sunday and am hoping we get off to a quick start and take Denver and the rest of the NFL by surprise.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Fin-atic.. It's not about you being a homer.. it's about you just not getting it. Instant gratification much? Yeah.. that's why I said go be a patty fan.

It takes time guy.. This is the NFL, you can't just whip up something out of nothing. To sasy the QB comp. was a sham just shows ignorance (ie: you think you know but you have no idea). That's a fact.

I know the QB position sucks and Saban didn't address it THIS offseason, because he had some unknown quantities in Sage and Feeley. Feeley absolutely SUCKS and if anyone thinks he doesnt suck doesn't know the game of football, sorry fellas... I'm matter of fact too and I call em like I see em but I'm not gonna make stuff up out of thin air like you are doing now and expect to get serious replies..

 

[edsta74]

If you've seen Surtain's preseason games in KC he looks like he's washed up. Knight was a Pro Bowler (if he even actually was) due to our system. Chester was a fat tub of lard that wouldn't even be capable of playing until week 6 at the earliest.

Quit being a baby because some players are gone. Saban knows football better than any of us and cleaning up the Wannstedt-era rubbish is fine by me. This has been our best offseason in a long-time (probably since '83).

Rome wasn't built in a day. If we can't find a QB this year, we'll get one after the season.

AMEN!!!

 

[HelloMotto]

No he's completely right aj had no chance adn I believe either AJ asked to eb cut when demoted or they are cutting him so there is no backlash to replace gus when he starts sucking cause his closest "real" "sage isn't a good qb" competetion has been shipped out! yet aj makes the minnimum this year!

AJ was given every opportunity to play his way into the starting position, except he played his way to the outhouse. The falcon game was the last straw. If i remember correctly, last year there were 3 or 4 more games we could have won if it wasn't for the dreaded pic 6. Feely is done. we will probably cut him and ship him back to 3rd string qb of the eagles. they can have him.

 

[DoctorFeelgood]

N I have said it once and I will say it again.....we got rid of the WRONG QB when Fiedler was cut.

LOL... getting rid of Fiedler was the smartest thing the 'Fins did, and it should have happened a lot sooner. Yeah, Feeley is a bum as well, but that still doesn't make Jay Fiedler anything other than a bum, even by comparison.

In case you've forgotten just how "good" Fiedler was, go back and watch the tape of the playoff games against the Raiders and Ravens.

 

[PhinBeck]

I do think Saban and Linehan wanted and intended for Gus to be the guy they were going to start. It is evident that it was his to lose. But Saban didnt give it to him sight unseen. Basically Gus lost it, but AJ couldnt win it. Sage cant be started now, he has no reps against anybody credible. IF Gus falters, (which is a distinct possibility) Sage will get his shot.

 

[fin-atic]

Fin-atic.. It's not about you being a homer.. it's about you just not getting it. Instant gratification much? Yeah.. that's why I said go be a patty fan.

It takes time guy.. This is the NFL, you can't just whip up something out of nothing. To sasy the QB comp. was a sham just shows ignorance (ie: you think you know but you have no idea). That's a fact.

I know the QB position sucks and Saban didn't address it THIS offseason, because he had some unknown quantities in Sage and Feeley. Feeley absolutely SUCKS and if anyone thinks he doesnt suck doesn't know the game of football, sorry fellas... I'm matter of fact too and I call em like I see em but I'm not gonna make stuff up out of thin air like you are doing now and expect to get serious replies..

I do get it. I get it very well. You are not reading everythign I am writing. You are sticking on the tone of my intital post and not reading through.
I am not complaining about the results. I am simply saying that Gus did not outplay AJ this preseason. I have also said I am not a Feeley supporter. I am bothered when we go into the offseason with arguably the two largest needs on the team being QB and OLine and we make no effort to get serious talent at either spot. That is an accurate description and I think a valid point.

Prior to the Tampa game the overwhelming feeling was that to that game (after four) that AJ was slightly ahead in the race. Gus had three plays and did not have enough time to continue his suck ways before AJ went in and had a terrible game. The point is and has been, that Gus has sone nothign to earn this starting job. Saban even said that Gus just knows the offense better. I think that proves my theory that it was never a contest. It was never based on performance, AJ would have to learn a whole new (and very complicated) offense and then play lights out to force the issue. He didn't but probably few could have. Like I said if it was a real competition, Sage would have won.
I don't thinK Feeley is great. I think he is wildly inconsitent. He can be great one game, good one game, and horrible the third. Gus has been consistently poor. I will take AJ's every thrid great game, and every other good game in exchange for his one bad game. What I would have rather seen was some talent brought in that would have upgraded this offense.

Really this is not that hard. We did not address the QB position and we suck at the QB position. Any argument with that? Some of the media is flaunting how the old regime and players are beign cleaned out. But still we are not finding a QB the most important position on offense.
I like most of what Nick has done. The coaching staff is great, getting Brown and Williams together is great. I just think he trusted this QB thing to Linehan who had tunnel vision the whole time.
I like the play calling on both sides of the ball and I feel positive about a lot of things. But in the case of the QB I am disappointed in how it was handled. If it ws based on who knew the system better than why not name Gus early so we can get some consisitency?