What is the difference between the Dolphins and Jets?

[CASSINO]

Miami Dolphins have class JETS do NOT!!!!!!!

 

[denn34]

a big mouth coach?

 

[The New Guy]

This is true, to some extent.
The missed FGs in the Cinci game, though Graham has bounced around from team to team since that game; and Kaeding missed a FG in the San Diego game, though his playoff % is much lower than his regular season %. But, we were the victim of bad luck against the Colts, when Lito Sheppard and Donald Strickland (our #2 and #3 corners), as well as Greene (who was our lead back in the playoffs) went down with injuries.

This is false.
The only questionable team we've played was the Bengals. Then it was a 13 win Charger team, followed by a 14 win Colts team. Last year we had the Colts, Patriots, and Steelers. The 3 preeminent AFC franchises of the last decade. The Pats and Steelers were the 1 and 2 Vegas favorites when the playoffs started. Then consider that all of those games were played on the road.

I'm only considering the teams the Jets beat in the playoffs. As you said, Cincinnati was not a good team. SD did win 13 games that year, but only two of those 13 wins came against teams with a winning record. The Jets made it past that game due to SD missing 2 fairly easy field goals (36yds, 40yds). Also, remember that crazy play where the ball bounced off Vincent Jackson's leg right into Revis' lap? That did not lead to any points for the Jets, but most likely kept some points off the board for SD.

The following year the Jets faced a banged up Colts team. They played well, but were clearly not the same team as the year before. There were not any crazy plays in that game that I can remember, unless you want to count the Colts coach calling that timeout late in the game. It was a great game, and the Jets made it out with a 1 point win. I just don't think they win that game if Indy has all their guys.

I give 100% credit to the Jets for beating NE. I really thought they had no shot to win that game, and I was pleasantly surprised that they did. Unlike a lot of other Dolphin fans, I hate the Pats more than the Jets. The Jets matched up well, and outplayed NE. I'm just not sure if you play that game again, the result would be the same.

My main point is that I don't think the Jets make it past round 1 in 09, or 10, if they faced Baltimore (instead of Cincinnati) in round 1 like NE did, or Baltimore (instead of Indy) in 10 like KC did. The Jets are a good team, but I don't feel like they are an elite team. Just a good team that has had some good fortune in the playoffs. Maybe they can become elite, but I just don't believe because they went to 2 AFCC games in 2 years that makes them elite. We will see what happens this year. :up:

 

[jtoomuch]

Seriously, with all due respect, why are you here if you hate the Dolphins? It would not occur to me to post on another team's board. To me that is just attention seeking behavior.

I'm not defensive at all, I happen to be at work and I get to post when I want to. As long as I am in the office and not travelling I can check out the site and post.

As for the title games, do you get tired of hearing how lucky the Jets were? how sanchez sucks? how he had dropped INTs? People repeat themselves, making 2 title games is a big deal and I argue w/ many different people so it comes up.

Don't waste your posts on me, contribute to the discussions. The more quality posters we have engaged in discussions the better the board is.

 

[LAjetsfan]

I'm only considering the teams the Jets beat in the playoffs. As you said, Cincinnati was not a good team. SD did win 13 games that year, but only two of those 13 wins came against teams with a winning record. The Jets made it past that game due to SD missing 2 fairly easy field goals (36yds, 40yds). Also, remember that crazy play where the ball bounced off Vincent Jackson's leg right into Revis' lap? That did not lead to any points for the Jets, but most likely kept some points off the board for SD.

The following year the Jets faced a banged up Colts team. They played well, but were clearly not the same team as the year before. There were not any crazy plays in that game that I can remember, unless you want to count the Colts coach calling that timeout late in the game. It was a great game, and the Jets made it out with a 1 point win. I just don't think they win that game if Indy has all their guys.

I give 100% credit to the Jets for beating NE. I really thought they had no shot to win that game, and I was pleasantly surprised that they did. Unlike a lot of other Dolphin fans, I hate the Pats more than the Jets. The Jets matched up well, and outplayed NE. I'm just not sure if you play that game again, the result would be the same.

My main point is that I don't think the Jets make it past round 1 in 09, or 10, if they faced Baltimore (instead of Cincinnati) in round 1 like NE did, or Baltimore (instead of Indy) in 10 like KC did. The Jets are a good team, but I don't feel like they are an elite team. Just a good team that has had some good fortune in the playoffs. Maybe they can become elite, but I just don't believe because they went to 2 AFCC games in 2 years that makes them elite. We will see what happens this year. :up:

You play who is on your schedule or where you are seeded in the playoffs. The Jets beat the 3rd seeded Bengals and #1 seed Chargers in 2010; followed up by the Colts and Patriots. For the record, no one gave the Jets a chance in any of those games. In 2010, the argument against the Jets was that they backed into the playoffs and would be one-and-done. Last year, everyone had them losing to the Colts in the wildcard round. Had they won the AFC title, it would've been the most difficult road to the SB of any team in history -- all on the road facing Manning, Brady and B. Roths.

I respect your opinion but please do not rewrite history.

 

[The New Guy]

You play who is on your schedule or where you are seeded in the playoffs. The Jets beat the 3rd seeded Bengals and #1 seed Chargers in 2010; followed up by the Colts and Patriots. For the record, no one gave the Jets a chance in any of those games. In 2010, the argument against the Jets was that they backed into the playoffs and would be one-and-done. Last year, everyone had them losing to the Colts in the wildcard round. Had they won the AFC title, it would've been the most difficult road to the SB of any team in history -- all on the road facing Manning, Brady and B. Roths.

I respect your opinion but please do not rewrite history.

How did I rewrite history? My point was the Jets were fortunate to play the teams that they did. The Jets did back into the playoffs in 09/10, and were fortunate enough to get Cincy. Cincinnati was more like a 7-9 team, and clearly was the worst team in the playoffs. I don't know about others, but I honestly thought that the Jets would win that game because I thought Cincinnati was that bad.


SD was the #2 seed (Indy was the #1 seed) with 13 wins, but like I mentioned before all but 2 of those wins came against teams that did not have winning records. Still, had it not been for some good fortune / lucky plays, the Jets would not have won that game. No one gave them a chance against Indy in the AFCC game, and they lost.

In 10/11 they faced the Colts. If all things were equal, I would not have given the Jets much of a chance to win that one, but with all the injuries the Colts had, I honestly thought that the Jets would beat them. I was surprised that they only beat them by 1. If the Colts had not been so banged up, the Jets would have lost just like they did the year before.

I did not give them a chance against NE, and give them props for winning that game. I just don't think winning that game makes the Jets an elite team. It was a huge win, and I think it was the most impressive playoff win under Rex. It does not however mean that the Jets were the better team.

 

[jetsknicks1]

a big mouth coach?

A winning coach?

 

[nyjunc]

I've debated with you many times over the years nychump. I guess your memory there is not as good as your dolphins-negative statistical memory, shocking. After awhile you come to realize a troll is a troll. Same **** different thread.

For all your 19,000 posts I can sum up the subject of MOST quite simply.

"The Jets are better at [insert topic][insert biased logic/statistics etc.]"

"Fins fans are homers: Here's why."

"Stop making fun of my Jets."

Did I miss anything?

Obviously not very well for me to not remember you and it's quite obvious you have a reading comprehension problem if that is what you take out of it.

Sorry but NO WAY.... Nobody other than a Jets homer would make that statement.

Bill Belichick would tell you the Jets have been better. There's not a player, coach, objective fan on the planet who would rather win the div and lose your 1st playoff game than make it as a WC team and play for the right to go the SB.

I really don't think the two teams are far apart. The biggest difference is that the Jets made plays and won the close games against teams they should have (Denver, Detroit, and Cleveland) While the Dolphins did not. (Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland) Things could have easily gone a little different and the Jets would have been 8-8, and the Dolphins 11-5. It was the same story last year except the Jets benefited from teams letting them in the playoffs rather than them earning it.


People can say the Jets made the AFCC game 2 years in a row all you want, but I really believe that the Jets have really been lucky with facing the teams that they have, and getting crazy breaks in some of those games. I will give all the credit for the Jets beating NE, but as any Jet fan will tell a Dolphin fan, just becasue you beat a team does not mean that you are better than they are. It can just mean you match up well with them. :D

It's clearly all luck which is bound to run out, any team can make 2 title games back to back. It's just about lucky, unfortunatly Miami hasn't been lucky enough to make one in 19 years but that luck will change soon!

Beating a team on the road in the div rd is slightly more important than beating a team in the reg season, wouldn't you agree?

junc why are you so obssessed with the dolphins?

I'm mjealous of all their success, all those 2 SB titles when I wsn't alive has had a negative impact on my life.

I started posting here 7 years ago, I like the forums. I enjoy debating and I enjoy learningmore about a div rival. I don't get why some people cannot get past this?

Miami Dolphins have class JETS do NOT!!!!!!!

I think the # since 2000 is 22 arrests for Miami and 8 for the Jets and the #s since the current coaches took oiver is 7 or 8 to 1 in favor of Miami. Not to mention the washed up celeb owners, a Gm asking a potential draftee if his mother is a prostitute, Brandon Scissorhands, your owner trying to hire a new HC while you still had a coach,...

All class.

I'm only considering the teams the Jets beat in the playoffs. As you said, Cincinnati was not a good team. SD did win 13 games that year, but only two of those 13 wins came against teams with a winning record. The Jets made it past that game due to SD missing 2 fairly easy field goals (36yds, 40yds). Also, remember that crazy play where the ball bounced off Vincent Jackson's leg right into Revis' lap? That did not lead to any points for the Jets, but most likely kept some points off the board for SD.

The following year the Jets faced a banged up Colts team. They played well, but were clearly not the same team as the year before. There were not any crazy plays in that game that I can remember, unless you want to count the Colts coach calling that timeout late in the game. It was a great game, and the Jets made it out with a 1 point win. I just don't think they win that game if Indy has all their guys.

I give 100% credit to the Jets for beating NE. I really thought they had no shot to win that game, and I was pleasantly surprised that they did. Unlike a lot of other Dolphin fans, I hate the Pats more than the Jets. The Jets matched up well, and outplayed NE. I'm just not sure if you play that game again, the result would be the same.

My main point is that I don't think the Jets make it past round 1 in 09, or 10, if they faced Baltimore (instead of Cincinnati) in round 1 like NE did, or Baltimore (instead of Indy) in 10 like KC did. The Jets are a good team, but I don't feel like they are an elite team. Just a good team that has had some good fortune in the playoffs. Maybe they can become elite, but I just don't believe because they went to 2 AFCC games in 2 years that makes them elite. We will see what happens this year. :up:

Cincy won probably the toughest division in the league and they swept both Pitt and Baltimore. To say they weren't a good team is laughable. Then in the div rd we faced the hottest team in the NFL.

Do missed FGs not count? Our K missed 2 in the title game that could have been big, at Pitt last year the fumble that made it 24-3 was very likely a forward pass and should have been ruled incomplete. There's no whining, there are good and bad breaks in every game. The good ones take advantage.

The crazy play where the ball landed in revis' lap was a spectacular play in perfect coverage by the best corner in the game.

Who cares if the Colts were banged up? did they let up when half our secondary got hurt in the title game the year before and when Shonn Greene went down? They had a chance to win, they needed one first down and couldn't get it.

The TO Caldwell called had NOTHING to do w/ the end result. All it did was allow us to run out the clock on the last play rather than spike it to kick the FG. If he doesn't call that TO there we do and on the last play instead of running off 20 secs to call TO we run it off to spike it. It made no difference.

You are reaching badly w/ all these excuses.

In '09 maybe we don't beat Baltimore, we would have beaten them in '10 and we gave Indy a better game than Bal in '09 and Pitt a better game in '10.

Yes, being the ONLY team in the NFL to make the title game the last 2 years makes a team elite.

 

[MiamiDolphins34]

Hey junc marshall is not a playmaker hm? lol good job

 

[Batroc]

Rex is clearly a better coach than Sparano. I hate it, but that's the way it is. I love Vontae Davis. He's one of my favorite Fins, but he's not in league with Revis yet no matter what he says. Revis is the best at his position right now. As far as Henne/Sanchez, I'm not so sure Mark is doing anything that Chad doesn't have the ability to pull off this season. Sanchez took advantage of Having Homes and Edwards at his disposal and made big plays when it mattered most last season. Henne struggled, (partly because of his own lack of confidence, partly because of Henning's archaic game plans). With a refocused Brandon Marshall and Reggie Bush to help Chad, and Edwards, Cotchery, and Smith gone in NYC it wouldn't surprise me if Henne took a step forward and Sanchez regressed slightly this year.

 

[nyjunc]

Hey junc marshall is not a playmaker hm? lol good job

Your saying this b/c he made a play in a preseason game? I never said he doesn't make plays, he's still not a playmaker. he's a possession WR who every once in a while eill make a big play. he's not a threat to make a big play every time he touches the ball- that's what a playmaker is and he's not one.

 

[Batroc]

Your saying this b/c he made a play in a preseason game? I never said he doesn't make plays, he's still not a playmaker. he's a possession WR who every once in a while eill make a big play. he's not a threat to make a big play every time he touches the ball- that's what a playmaker is and he's not one.

Junc- I have always respected you as a rational, well-informed poster, but I disagree with you here. I understand what you are trying to say. Marshall is best utilized to keep the chains moving rather than being a home run threat, but check some of his 08' and 09' highlights in Denver. Particularly games against New England and a play I distinctly remember as being SICK against Dallas. He owned pretty much the entire Cowboy Defense on one play if I recall correctly lol.

 

[MiamiDolphins34]

Your saying this b/c he made a play in a preseason game? I never said he doesn't make plays, he's still not a playmaker. he's a possession WR who every once in a while eill make a big play. he's not a threat to make a big play every time he touches the ball- that's what a playmaker is and he's not one.

Yawn mr denial..you know you are worried about #19 when the jets play the dolphins.

 

[nyjunc]

Junc- I have always respected you as a rational, well-informed poster, but I disagree with you here. I understand what you are trying to say. Marshall is best utilized to keep the chains moving rather than being a home run threat, but check some of his 08' and 09' highlights in Denver. Particularly games against New England and a play I distinctly remember as being SICK against Dallas. He owned pretty much the entire Cowboy Defense on one play if I recall correctly lol.

It's ok to have a different opinion, I still think marshall is a great WR I just don't believe he is a playmaker. When you average 12 yards epr w/ not many TDs it's hard to argue he is a playmaker. Excellent possession WR but in my opinion he is not a playmker.

Yawn mr denial..you know you are worried about #19 when the jets play the dolphins.

I don't worry about any WRs w/ Revis. If Revis is hurt again and Cro has to match up w/ him then I'd be worried.

 

[The New Guy]

Cincy won probably the toughest division in the league and they swept both Pitt and Baltimore. To say they weren't a good team is laughable.

I would normally agree that the AFC North is a tough division, but 09 was a down year for that division. Cincinnati has been terrible, and their 08 season (4-11-1), and 10 season (4-12) show what type of team they really were.

Do missed FGs not count? Our K missed 2 in the title game that could have been big, at Pitt last year the fumble that made it 24-3 was very likely a forward pass and should have been ruled incomplete. There's no whining, there are good and bad breaks in every game. The good ones take advantage.

Missed field goals count, but the fact is SD missed 2 easy field goals that cost them the game. The final score was 17-14 Jets. SD makes those field goals, and its 20-17 Chargers. Yes, the Jets missed 2 field goals against the Colts in the AFCC game, but the final score was 30-17 making those missed field goals irrelevant.



An incomplete pass? You can't be serious! Take a good look at 4:23 again.

[video]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011012300/2010/POST20/jets@steelers/watch[/video]

The crazy play where the ball landed in revis' lap was a spectacular play in perfect coverage by the best corner in the game.

Perfect coverage? Again, you can't be serious! 3:47 mark if you would like to look at it again.

[video]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010011701/2009/POST19/jets@chargers/watch[/video]

Jackson is in front of Revis, and he drops the ball. Yes, Revis pulling on his right arm had something to do with the drop, but the crazy part is when it bounced off his foot right into the lap of Revis. It was good concentration by Revis, but very lucky that the ball ended up in his lap.

Who cares if the Colts were banged up? did they let up when half our secondary got hurt in the title game the year before and when Shonn Greene went down? They had a chance to win, they needed one first down and couldn't get it.

You are reaching badly w/ all these excuses.

Jets fan's certainly don't care that the Colts were banged up, and neither would I had the Dolphins been the ones playing them. The fact is they were not the same Colts team and the Jets were fortunate that they were banged up. Had they not been, the Jets don't get passed round 1.

Are you really going to compare losing Lito Shepard and Shonn Green in 09/10, to the Colts injuries in 10/11? It is not even close. The Colts could have gone undefeated in the 09/10 regular season had they not rested their starters. The Colts were clearly the better team in 09/10, and would have beaten the Jets even if they had Green and Shepard the whole game.

Yes, being the ONLY team in the NFL to make the title game the last 2 years makes a team elite.

What if SD made those 2 field goals and the Jets lost? Would that change your opinion of the Jets as an elite team? What if Indy was healthy in the 10/11 playoffs, and beat the Jets. Would that change your opinion of the Jets as an elite team? Those things did not happen, but not becasue of anything the Jets did, but becasue of the other teams bad luck. SD missing 2 easy field goals, or Indy being decimated by injuries does not make the Jets elite. You can argue that the Jets still would have beaten Indy had they been healthy, but since they only beat them by 1 point, I would disagree.

Without good fortune, the Jets lose at SD in 09/10, and lose to Indy in10/11. A good team and good seasons, but not even close to elite in my opinion.