What's so great about Philbin?

[Canadianfishfan]

So we should send Tannehill off to another franchise so he can succeed?

You still haven't answered my question of why you believe Philbin is great?

You give lots of thumbs down, but offer no rebute.

At least I'm willing to put my opinion out there to be bashed.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

If they don't think he's great, why would you want to give him more time? Because they think he has the potential to be great? What makes them think that?

So how long would you give the next guy? 1 year or 2?

Making change for the sake of change, is not a winning formula. And if you want a good coach to come in to MIA, how do you sell your team to him, giving him 2 years? You people who want change again....don't see the folly in your own arguments. Burn it down and start over, or build on what you have? Which is it?

 

[Yessir]

Losing that home game to Buffalo coming off a bye week was a major red flag. That's a total lack of preparedness in my opinion. And then to lose the last two games in the fashion that we did? Philbin shows all the signs of an inept head coach. It's a results oriented business, and this far the results have been mediocre to poor under Philbin. That's just the bottom line.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

You are missing the point. Ross says he stays so the point is he is the Fins coach....we have no other option but to roll with him.

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I think Ross HAS to say that. remember what happened with Sparano?

Just like Philbin saying that Sherman is a good coach.

I believe Philbin is staying, but I'd prefer a GM with the power to fire Philbin if he felt it necessary.

It feels like there are half measure being taken to fix a big problem. I was of the camp of either keep everyone, or fire everyone.

So now we have more drama. More garbage about our front office and more distraction from football.

I liken Philbin to Cam Cameron. Same demeanor as men. Philbin obviously has a better roster, but his next OC is going to define his tenure here. He has to nail it.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Believe whatever bull**** you like.

When he had the opportunity to raise his game in the final 2 weeks he did not.

He didn't not improve his deep ball accuracy at all. Which by the way I doubt will improve. Either you have it or you don't.

I know everyone is trying to hold onto positives, you hold onto these "PROgressions".

But don't sell me progress when he was outplayed by Thad Lewis and Geno Smith when there was everything to play for.

Even though it is stupid to claim that a QB was outplayed by another QB, I win that comparison (QB vs QB) 10-4-2

He outplayed Brady (twice), Luck, Rivers, Dalton, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Glennon, Smith and Weeden. He was evenly matched against Newton and Flacco. He was outplayed by Lewis (twice), Smith, and Brees.

Aaron Rogers won a superbowl running for his goddamned life. A performance that elevated Philbin to our coach.

In his second NFL season?

I'll give you one thing though, I don't think coaching helped Tannehill this season. Clearly when he was getting killed behind that Oline (some of it is his fault to with his awareness), but he still has to take that next step.

Tannehill while statstically have been better than what we've had around here, the end result is the same. So please, we can argue stats. Which are a nice consolation prize, but don't tell me when the final seconds of that Jets game on December 28th ticked down that you gave a **** about any players stats.

In the final seconds against the Steelers and the Pats, did you give a crap about stats?

 

[truedolfan57]

Losing that home game to Buffalo coming off a bye week was a major red flag. That's a total lack of preparedness in my opinion. And then to lose the last two games in the fashion that we did? Philbin shows all the signs of an inept head coach. It's a results oriented business, and this far the results have been mediocre to poor under Philbin. That's just the bottom line.

So philbin shouldn't get any credit for beating the pats for the first time since 2009?

 

[Canadianfishfan]

So how long would you give the next guy? 1 year or 2?

Making change for the sake of change, is not a winning formula. And if you want a good coach to come in to MIA, how do you sell your team to him, giving him 2 years? You people who want change again....don't see the folly in your own arguments. Burn it down and start over, or build on what you have? Which is it?

How much time does he deserve? 5 years? What if he loses again next year and we're right back here again? Does he deserve another?

No change for change sake isn't, but like an abusive relationship, staying for continuity isn't always good either.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

You still haven't answered my question of why you believe Philbin is great?

You give lots of thumbs down, but offer no rebute.

At least I'm willing to put my opinion out there to be bashed.

I also give alot of thumbs up. Why do you people bring up my rating of posters?

I didn't say Philbin was great, that is your assumption of the situation. If you look at the thumbs up to posts I AGREE WITH, than you know where I'm coming from.

And I advocate some type of continuity, instead of constant change. How many years do you give a coach? 1 or 2? When a coach comes in from a different system and philosophy employed by Sparano/Parcells, you have to allow some type of change to occur at a realistic pace. Add the fact, Philbin is tutoring a young raw developing QB. A collegiate 19 game starter, and 2 full seasons in the NFL, may lead you to think he should be more than he is currently. But I don't. I think while he **** the bed the last 2 games, it wasn't as critical as you make it out to be.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Sure we can get all caught up in the numbers, which is what everyone hangs their hat on.

The only stat I care about are wins.

The playoffs is the only barometer for me to a successful season.

Tannehill **** the bed in the final 2 games. So yeah, regression.

2012 7-9
2013 8-8

8 is larger than 7

So no, he did not regress.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

How much time does he deserve? 5 years? What if he loses again next year and we're right back here again? Does he deserve another?

No change for change sake isn't, but like an abusive relationship, staying for continuity isn't always good either.

As for coaches, you give them at least 4 years, 3 may be at the minimum. In college you can't judge a coach until he has had a full recruiting class mature. How is that different in the NFL, especially with a QB who played a majority of his collegiate career as a WR?

And I fail to see Philbin being apart of a abusive relationship. I think this team was in position to win late because of the talent brought in by JI and the coaching Philbin did after the Martin fiasco.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Even though it is stupid to claim that a QB was outplayed by another QB, I win that comparison (QB vs QB) 10-4-2

He outplayed Brady (twice), Luck, Rivers, Dalton, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Glennon, Smith and Weeden. He was evenly matched against Newton and Flacco. He was outplayed by Lewis (twice), Smith, and Brees.




In his second NFL season?



In the final seconds against the Steelers and the Pats, did you give a crap about stats?

I dont ever give a **** about stats. I care about wins. PERIOD!

So the players he "outplayed" like Brady, Luck, Rivers all of which are in the playoffs.

Typical response. That's just like this board going nuts because we beat the Patriots in the regular season, but in the end it's the same old same old. They're playing for Championship, and we're sitting here bitching about what could've been.

One day we're going to have a QB where we're not talking about shoulda coulda wouldas. We're be talking about what he can do, and did do.

But seriously.. This thread is about PHILBIN.. funny how people don't want to talk about HIM.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

As for coaches, you give them at least 4 years, 3 may be at the minimum. In college you can't judge a coach until he has had a full recruiting class mature. How is that different in the NFL, especially with a QB who played a majority of his collegiate career as a WR?

And I fail to see Philbin being apart of a abusive relationship. I think this team was in position to win late because of the talent brought in by JI and the coaching Philbin did after the Martin fiasco.

the reference to an abusive relationship was analogy. Meaning staying the course doesn't necessarily lead to success either. Well you'll get your 3 years at least. But this isn't college.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I think Ross HAS to say that. remember what happened with Sparano?

Just like Philbin saying that Sherman is a good coach.

I believe Philbin is staying, but I'd prefer a GM with the power to fire Philbin if he felt it necessary.

I agree, and we don't know if the new GM will have that say. IMO, it can work either way but only if the new GM and Philbin are on the same page. If the new GM wants to fire Philbin, knows he can't and accepts the job anyway, it won't work.

If the new GM doesn't feel it is necessary, then Philbin can stay and it may still work.

I don't want a GM that insists he must pick his own coach regardless of whether the HC is a problem. We don't need change for the sake of change.

It feels like there are half measure being taken to fix a big problem. I was of the camp of either keep everyone, or fire everyone.

Sherman had to go. The players had lost faith in him. So had the fan base.

So now we have more drama. More garbage about our front office and more distraction from football.

I liken Philbin to Cam Cameron. Same demeanor as men. Philbin obviously has a better roster, but his next OC is going to define his tenure here. He has to nail it.

This is true. Given his demeanor, I think he needs an OC that will light a fire under players.

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I dont ever give a **** about stats. I care about wins. PERIOD!

So the players he "outplayed" like Brady, Luck, Rivers all of which are in the playoffs.

Typical response. That's just like this board going nuts because we beat the Patriots in the regular season, but in the end it's the same old same old. They're playing for Championship, and we're sitting here bitching about what could've been.

One day we're going to have a QB where we're not talking about shoulda coulda wouldas. We're be talking about what he can do, and did do.

But seriously.. This thread is about PHILBIN.. funny how people don't want to talk about HIM.

Then why did you post a lengthy tirade about Tannehill?

 

[Phindog]

I dont ever give a **** about stats. I care about wins. PERIOD!

So the players he "outplayed" like Brady, Luck, Rivers all of which are in the playoffs.

Typical response. That's just like this board going nuts because we beat the Patriots in the regular season, but in the end it's the same old same old. They're playing for Championship, and we're sitting here bitching about what could've been.

One day we're going to have a QB where we're not talking about shoulda coulda wouldas. We're be talking about what he can do, and did do.

But seriously.. This thread is about PHILBIN.. funny how people don't want to talk about HIM.

You were the one that brought up Tannehill silly.Yet now you complain about it?

Most of us don't care about Green Bay. I personally Don't care what the Dolphins did in 2012 anymore. But Philbin as a QB guru has overseen Tannehill regressing. Adjustments have been criticized all year.

 

[psfign]

And if Ireland's such a horrible drafter and FA signer, how can we say Philbin cant coach if he doesnt have good players? It seems to me, it cant be both. So which is it?


And the buffalo game. I fault the Oline completely. We couldnt do anything in the trenches in either game. Coaching wouldnt have mattered.