Again, that just supports my point. Football is a team sport. Brady had a great team that won the Super Bowl. Brady alone did not. If you could have a Pro Bowl QB on a great team, that would just make that team even beter.
Of course it's a team game and you need a good D to win but why is it NE was 5-11 in '00 w/o Brady then 0-2 to start the '01 season w/ Brad then took off once Brady came in?
You are correct. Why do good #'s not translate into wins? Because football is a team sport. If a QB is putting up good #'s and not wins, is it his fault? Of course not.
If a player is putting up great #s and then is not coming through in big spots teams don't win and that ahs been the case w/ daunte. I went over all the games against PO teams and the D was better more than he was.
Since it is ok for you to take away Culpepper's playoffs wins, and #'s since you say he played bad teams, I am going to use the same logic. You said Pennington is 21-16 with the Jets, but lets look at the teams Pennington has beat. Besides 4 wins against the Phins, (who the Jets seem to beat no matter what QB is in) since Pennington became the starter in 02 he has won the following games:
Do you really want me to pull the win % on daunte's wins? I pulled up games against PO teams, check Chad's #s on that. Chad was the last QB to lead his team to a win at NE('02) before SD did it early in '05.
Those teams have a combined record of 129 -143. Pennington has only won 7 games against a team that is above .500. I guess Pennington can't beat the good teams in the NFL. One last point about winning QBâ€Âs Do you remember Neil O’ Donnell? He was 43-21 as a starter for the Steelers. How did he work out for the Jets? I already know that answer. Why? Because Neil did not have a “Team†around him. You are entitled to your opinion, but I challenge you to get one unbiased person who would take Pennington over Culpepper.
Chad did beat a 12-4 tam in the playoffs on the road w/ a torn rotator cuff and we were w/in 1 of 2 makeable kicks of beating a 15-1 team on the road for a chance to go to the title game.
Neil O'Donnell won 9 games for us in '97.
You need to write more carefully. You listed three games from '05:
I don't get it? He started against 3 PO teams, why shouldn't I have listed it?
You clearly listed the D as good against TB, and bad against Cincy. If you didn't give the D credit for a good game against Chi, where did it come from?
My mistake, I apologize. I gave the D a good performance since they kept Minny in the game(Chi only had 7 pts at the half) but Daunte couldn't lead Minny to points and threw 2 INTs one which set up Chi's 2nd TD and essentially put the game away b/c the O couldn't score.
Scoring points doesn't matter? You'd rather blame the QB than the defense for the team losing 35-28? WTF?
Scoring points aginst teams like the Lions doesn't matter, it matters down the stretch in big games. He was shuout against the Giants, put up 17 at Ari against a D that was giving up 33/gm for 8 weeks and couldn only put up 10 pts in the competitive portion of the Wash game and 7 in the competitive portion of the Philly game. Scoring against bad teams doesn't mean much to me, score when it's needed most.
Why do you get to pick which games they need? When you finish 9-7 and miss the playoffs, all 7 losses count equally.
So games in Dec aren't more important than games in Sept? If you lose a game in Sept your season isn't over but if you lose one in Dec it could be.
You want to blame Culpepper for every game he doesn't put up 30 points but not blame the defense for allowing 32 points when Culpepper does put up 30.
i ant him to do it against top teams not against the dregs of the NFL and clearly his record against the good teams is poor and he has been held in check by the better team's D's.
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It's not a 6 game stretch it's 3 of the last 5 years. He was mediocre in '01, bad in '02 and bad in '05. That's more bad than good since '01.
You do realize that you win by outscoring your opponents right? I'll not talking about putting up passing yardage.
Absolutely and when you put up basically 34 pts in his 4 biggest games that's not putting up points now is it?
Talk to me about wins at the end of the season when the Fins have scored 400 points and allowed 250. You do the math and predict if that will translate to wins.....
We'll see. When are those 400 pts scored? and when are the 250 allowed? Your D's w/ Zach and JT haven't exactly come up big in big games themselves.
Here's another number for you. In his career, Culpepper has averaged 2.02 TDs per game. That puts him in very elite company:
I DON'T CARE ABOUT FANTASY NUMBERS! What does he do in big spots?
NYJunc does not care about #’s he cares about wins. He would rather have Jay Feidler, and Chad Pennington on his team than Peyton Manning, or Dan Marino.
Manning and Marino win, they get(got in dan's case) their teams to the playoffs in most years.
Look at last years Super Bowl. Roethlisberger’s stat line: 9 completions in 21 attempts for 123 yards with 2 interceptions. He had a rating of 22.6 in the game. Roethlisberger had a horrific game, but despite his bad play, the Steelers still won the game.
and if not for Ben's big play prior to that game Pitt never would have ben there. If he would have played like that in the AFC playoffs they never would have made it but he stepped up. Against an inferior Sea team he was able to have a bad game and still win.
NYjunc lost all credibility with me when he said he would take Jay Feidler over Culpepper, if Feidler was younger. I enjoy a good debate, but I can't debate with a guy who thinks Jay, Gus and Chad are better QB's than Culpepper. It's your opinion and I respect that, but...
Go check Jay's win % as a starter compared to Daunte's and also check Miami's record w/o Jay from '00-'03 and Minny's record w/o daunte from '01-'05 and let me know hat you find.
